gungo

No but what they could do is close test server. Open a copy test server. Have a board where they list encounters they wanted tested. List a few details on the encounter publicly and provide a section where people who tested the encounter can provide public viewable feedback. Then there will be no back door hotmail type hidden private messages. they could over moderate this section to thier hearts content and allowing only feedback to this encounter.

The number 1 issue with SOE is the total and complete lack of communication. This is just another glaring example of their secret communist society bullshit they been feeding us. Make he information public. If it is considered to revealing then dont give it to anyone, in the first place.

Aralas

i can say for a fact that one thing in the posted strat is no longer correct and the post IMO wasnt that big of a deal there was 1 thing that i didnt know already that was in the fight other then the time when the thing goes down, anyone could have realize it would go up or down if you tried to camp on the platform

Argyuile

If you think that figuring out the strat is easier than execution, your not good at figuring out strats, you blow ass at execution.

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firamas

the strat that we had for the new nexona/druushk within a few hours of taking our first pulls on it and testing a few things was already 99% refined (i.e. we already knew HOW to kill it, it was just a matter of combining execution and RNG luck to pull it off, which took much longer than the process of actually figuring out how to properly handle the mechanics of the encounter).

most of these encounters do not take a tactical genius to figure out... w/ contested and trakanon being the notable exceptions as far as complexity of mechanics goes. hell, virtually every single raid mob before LU42 was a straight tank n' spank with 1 or 2 very simple "tricks". when you 1st or 2nd pull over half of the expansion, something is wrong. (but hey, that's a different thread...)

firamas

who got their strats from NPU? you're thinking about the other exiled raid guild on Nagafen... Kraken never got that email about Trakanon, bud. we beat many of the PVE servers in progression when we cleared VP, and we damn sure did it by taking pulls and learning the encounters ourselves... i know.. i was there for all of those pulls. =)

(and as you know, only a handful of them required anything more than simple raid tactics anyway /sigh)

Rokkual

Don't know many of you Survivors guys, but I definitely have to agree with this on ToD, they are a pretty good bunch!

Flee

I have to Agrre with Firamas, even if you have the strats spoon fed to you it still takes time and alot of effort to get them right. I know with my guild on venril Sathir we knew the strat perfectly yet it still to us a ton of attempts to get the sucker down. Also look at mayong thats another good example. I mean getting spoon fed strats by devs isn't really fair but it still takes skill to pull it off.

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Vindruil

Any raider with half a brain or even a hint of intelligence can figure out these encounters whether they have a strat for it or not. If you're in a high end raiding guild and you can't figure out how the encounter works without a strategy go play hello kitty online. These encounters are not hard by any means and after pulling a mob for a little bit you can figure the encounter out without any problems.

Especially if you look at the real world wide firsts. People spent time learning and figuring those encounters out and sure after they did they may have hinted to other guilds on how to do it, but those guilds could have figured that out on their own. The only thing that happened that I know is that Npu knew that trak had been fixed and went in and killed him. With or without that strat being posted, a night of pulling trak other guilds would have figured it out without a problem.

Oh look this is clickable, omg i don't take aoes standing next to it, holy crap half the encounter figured out. It's just common sense, use your head. The only thing the strats do is save guilds a few hours of figuring the mobs out, all that matters in the end is who can actually execute the strategy. As it's been posted for over a week now and only three guilds have killed trak tells you how much a strat really matters.

In other words, if you're really as good of a player as you think you are, than man up and stop complaining. If any guild can honestly tell me that they cleared everything in rok without someone saying something about an encounter, congrats to you. But with the way information flows these days I highly doubt anyone can claim that. People complained so much about the leviathan encounter on flames that you practically had an entire strategy for it in there.

To the guilds who use exploits to kill mobs now that's just lame, and if you're going to complain about something complain about that.

Mendanbar

Trak is difficult to do because of his execution, but there are a LOT of small nuances about the mob that everyone has to do perfectly, and to be honest, I call bullshit on anyone that says they knew even close to 100% of the encounter (in particular, timers, and the waythat aoes work with/against each other) before the strat was leaked. Sure, there are obvious things like the orb and clicking it and noticing the obvious YOU FEEL PROTECTED message and shit. There's a shit ton more to it than that though.

The strat saved A LOT of time and wipes in terms of making certain that people were doing the correct things. Not to mention the HUGE advantage of knowing when the bastard got patched, since many people took more than a few pulls, but gave up on trying too hard, as there were OBVIOUS changes necessary (that have now been fixed - the healing shield and the orb range); lots of guilds decided to hold off on SERIOUS testing until some of those changes occured because learning a previously flat-out unkillable mob that could get changed in god knows what ways seemed pointless at the time.

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kbern

And thats a good thing too!