Cheating Fucks Even Fail At Cheating - Page 4

Aralas · 03-17-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendanbar

Trak is difficult to do because of his execution, but there are a LOT of small nuances about the mob that everyone has to do perfectly, and to be honest, I call bullshit on anyone that says they knew even close to 100% of the encounter (in particular, timers, and the waythat aoes work with/against each other) before the strat was leaked. Sure, there are obvious things like the orb and clicking it and noticing the obvious YOU FEEL PROTECTED message and shit. There's a shit ton more to it than that though.

The strat saved A LOT of time and wipes in terms of making certain that people were doing the correct things. Not to mention the HUGE advantage of knowing when the bastard got patched, since many people took more than a few pulls, but gave up on trying too hard, as there were OBVIOUS changes necessary (that have now been fixed - the healing shield and the orb range); lots of guilds decided to hold off on SERIOUS testing until some of those changes occured because learning a previously flat-out unkillable mob that could get changed in god knows what ways seemed pointless at the time.

Timers are nothing to figure out Survive 2 AE's OMG the time inbetween is the timer wow, and we figured most of the strat out the night before the strat was leaked the bigest thing in that fight is getting the stupid ass positioning of trak

Argyuile · 03-17-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Aralas

Timers are nothing to figure out Survive 2 AE's OMG the time inbetween is the timer wow, and we figured most of the strat out the night before the strat was leaked the bigest thing in that fight is getting the stupid ass positioning of trak

So NPU beat you to WW first fair and square is what your saying?

Aralas · 03-17-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

So NPU beat you to WW first fair and square is what your saying?

they knew when it was ninja fixed we had no way to know when it would be fixed, we didnt go in there every night and play with broken trak, after they killed it we took what two or 3 nights max, and we figured MOST of it out before the strat was leaked, there was 1 thing we didnt know exactly what it did but we knew it was there, also 1 thing in the strat is wrong or no longer accurate

Jaraxx · 03-18-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aralas

they knew when it was ninja fixed we had no way to know when it would be fixed, we didnt go in there every night and play with broken trak, after they killed it we took what two or 3 nights max, and we figured MOST of it out before the strat was leaked, there was 1 thing we didnt know exactly what it did but we knew it was there, also 1 thing in the strat is wrong or no longer accurate

This is some recruit Scrub who wasn't even on the raid when we killed Trak.

The strat does help but it's not a big deal. Personally what we found out by it was it was a timed fight so you would need to dps it and have minimal if any deaths in order to defeat it.

Also to the fucking retard in Legacy who thinks execution is easy. Why don't you go lead your guild into killing it! Have you even ever pulled Trakanon? Shut the fuck up you piece of shit and do not speak of things you have no clue about.

Jaraxx · 03-18-2008, 12:52 PM

Also the part that does bother me the most is if certain guilds get information of when mobs are going to be patched. We spent less then 20 hours EVER on Trakanon (this is including the time we killed it). Before NPU killed it we hadn't even zoned into Trak's lair in a month. If we knew the mob was going to get changed you can bet your ass we would of been in there practicing pulls so we would be ready when it was fixed.

Pheemo · 03-19-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaraxx

Before NPU killed it we hadn't even zoned into Trak's lair in a month. If we knew the mob was going to get changed you can bet your ass we would of been in there practicing pulls so we would be ready when it was fixed.

Here again is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm so tired of all the idiots who keep asking why ToD or other guilds aren't more upset about NPU getting strats. The kind of shit Jaraxx is alluding to is the real problem in my opinion.

I had the pleasure of exchanging a few choice words in tells with a member of NPU after I expressed my opinion in another thread, and I told them exactly what I'm saying now.

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(1205265228)[Tue Mar 11 15:53:48 2008] \aPC -1 *:*\/a tells you, "hey tard you realize thats not even alix's email address right"
(1205265257)[Tue Mar 11 15:54:17 2008] You tell *, "excuse me?"
(1205265259)[Tue Mar 11 15:54:19 2008] \aPC -1 *:*\/a tells you, "just like the other fucking sheep on this site, someone posts something with a random email, and you automatically believe its alix's lol ... "
(1205265293)[Tue Mar 11 15:54:53 2008] You tell *, "i dont really care whose email it is or how much of it is true... it wasnt exactly a state secret that astaroth was a coder /shrug"
(1205265332)[Tue Mar 11 15:55:32 2008] \aPC -1 *:*\/a tells you, "no, but you dont find it a lil bit funny that snark is in a top end guild and he had the notes"
(1205265361)[Tue Mar 11 15:56:01 2008] \aPC -1 *:*\/a tells you, "and the fact that its not even alix's email address on the thing?"
(1205265371)[Tue Mar 11 15:56:11 2008] \aPC -1 *:*\/a tells you, "i dont know why i bother, some people have no common sense"
(1205265399)[Tue Mar 11 15:56:39 2008] You tell *, "i find it no more or less funny than you guys clearing trak the day of a hotfix /shrug"
(1205265424)[Tue Mar 11 15:57:04 2008] \aPC -1 *:*\/a tells you, "because we had been working on it every day for the past 3 weeks cause there is not enough raid content to do anything else?"

I refuse to believe that any guilds were taking serious pulls on Trakanon in the weeks leading up to the hotfix. I have no doubt that NPU put in the requisite time to fine-tune their execution and get their shit together given what they learned / observed / were hotmailed about the fight, and I commend them for getting the job done. But for them to act like their timing was in any way coincidental is a slap in the face to every other guild, on Guk or otherwise, who might have given them a run for their money on the WW1st. Jaraxx has every right to be incensed in my opinion.

Hitz · 03-19-2008, 11:07 AM

They really think we are all THAT stupid? LOL! Nothin NPU can say to change the fact they got 2 devs, inside infoz and leaked strats, period.

Argyuile · 03-19-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaraxx

This is some recruit Scrub who wasn't even on the raid when we killed Trak.

The strat does help but it's not a big deal. Personally what we found out by it was it was a timed fight so you would need to dps it and have minimal if any deaths in order to defeat it.

Also to the fucking retard in Legacy who thinks execution is easy. Why don't you go lead your guild into killing it! Have you even ever pulled Trakanon? Shut the fuck up you piece of shit and do not speak of things you have no clue about.

Are you saying that once you kill a mob the first time you have ANY fucking problems killing it the second time. No jackass, nobody does unless they completely blow fucking ass. Why? Because you know the fucking strat. Once you know what to do actually doing it is a walk in the fucking park or are you saying you wipe continuously to mobs you've already killed because execution is so difficult for you?

Mendanbar · 03-19-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

Are you saying that once you kill a mob the first time you have ANY fucking problems killing it the second time. No jackass, nobody does unless they completely blow fucking ass. Why? Because you know the fucking strat. Once you know what to do actually doing it is a walk in the fucking park or are you saying you wipe continuously to mobs you've already killed because execution is so difficult for you?

Kill trak once. Let us know when that happens. Kill track a second time without wiping a single time. Let us know when you pull that off. I may not be playing in T9 though, so try to hurry it up.

I'm sure after multiple kills we'll get it down to a total science where we firstpull it, but the mob is a bitch, flat out, and there are numerous reasons that cause immense headaches like random kb going off in about the split second before you can get the shield clicked (that probably happened to us 3-4 times over the course of a night). He's not easy, period. That's actually why he's fun, I'm really looking forward to fighting him again, but saying that once you kill a mob of that caliber once, you should be able to own its face the next time is just foolish.

Argyuile · 03-21-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mendanbar

Kill trak once. Let us know when that happens. Kill track a second time without wiping a single time. Let us know when you pull that off. I may not be playing in T9 though, so try to hurry it up.

I'm sure after multiple kills we'll get it down to a total science where we firstpull it, but the mob is a bitch, flat out, and there are numerous reasons that cause immense headaches like random kb going off in about the split second before you can get the shield clicked (that probably happened to us 3-4 times over the course of a night). He's not easy, period. That's actually why he's fun, I'm really looking forward to fighting him again, but saying that once you kill a mob of that caliber once, you should be able to own its face the next time is just foolish.

What I'm saying is Execution is easier than figuring out the encounter so I ask you, how many times do you wipe before you kill him once, vs how many times do you wipe after you've killed him?