Odii

So if all these guilds were just straight fucking cheating.

WHAT THE FUCK TOOK THEM SO LONG.

You would think that a guild with reasonable players with a motherfucking walkthrough could just steamroll through new content.

Now mind you, content was cleared fairly quickly this expac, but consinder how long this inside information bullshit has been going on... wtf.

Fail at cheating 4TW.

Take a real guild, true and blue who worked for their shit, put them toe to toe with some of these cheating ass shit talking people - same gear, same length of time and i guarantee you that the guild who's been working for their shit year after year would clear content faster and more effeciently.

This recent drama sheds a whole new light on guilds who keep a low key, do all their own hard motherfucking work, and don't talk a bunch of mad trash in the mean time.

Troops of Doom - this is mad props to you guys, you guys don't talk shit, you're reasonable people, you keep to yourselves and you kill shit. #1 Guk guild period.

Survivors - my guild, we work hard for our shit, keep a low key and don't talk a bunch of trash. I couldn't be more proud of our guild for overcoming some of the challenges we've faced in the past and still plugged along and got our VP access 3rd on guk.

I'd seriously like to see a couple guilds given same gear etc, put toe to toe with a new encounter/script and see which one could win first.

Gratz failing at cheating! you lose

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Drodin

meh, people talk to other people for hints and bits of info all the time. It's just easier to know who would be the more reliable sources now.

From a look at the trak strat. I doubt anyone would have killed it without having at least some of that info, or if any guild had killed it before the strat post would have done it without getting at least a hint from NPU.

When WW firsts are tainted, every other kill beyond has lost its true merit...whatever that is to begin with.

and I think its more of a testament to how hard these encounters are really being made if top class players cant execute them easily even with a total explanation like that, and is a huge reason why raiding is becoming less and less fun each expansion. Not to say people didn't ask for it.

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Virulence

huh? the new content WAS steamrolled. But you are right, the endless mad shit talking from people in guilds like Second Dawn on this site truly makes me chuckle in light of all this.

firamas

what's funny about all this anger recently is that it's almost completely misguided. anyone in a raid guild knows that mob mechanics can be learned simply by taking repeated pulls on the encounter and testing certain things. it's not the strat, it's the execution. guilds like NPU, SD, CL, etc, just happen to be exceptionally guild at the execution. =)

it takes between ~2 to ~6 pulls on most mobs until you have screenshots of all the buffs/debuffs and all of the AE timers refined and put into ACT... from there's it's just a matter of not sucking at the game and being able to come up with a strat that works around those mechanics. if scripted events happen at a certain % during the fight, you'll probably wipe the first time you encounter it, but you quickly adapt and move on. once in awhile there are unique effects that require a bit more thought, but there's nothing in game that is so completely mystifying as to confuse the top tier of raid leaders.

yes, the information that NPU received was extremely detailed. HOWEVER, they were beta testing endgame encounters for SoE during the RoK beta period, and without feeding them all the encounter mechanics up front the trial & error process would have taken a lot longer. the point of doing that was to have NPU test the script and ensure everything was working correctly (not bugged), and to test if the encounter was literally unbeatable even by the best of the best worldwide. lyndro was present in zone at times and would burn Trakanon down to certain %'s to test script triggers, etc.

i dunno, maybe i'm just cynical, but raiding (strategy wise) in this game is NOT hard at all. the difficultly lies ENTIRELY in the execution of those strats... keeping 24 people completely and utterly focused for 10-15 minutes at a time. every single person has to pull off perfect execution. little to no room for mistakes.

do you really think there's so many raid guilds that still aren't in VP right now simply because they "dont have the strats" to do it? =)

Argyuile

Execution is a cakewalk once you have the strat. I could take any random group of dipshits put them in NPU's gear and defeat any encounter with a strat like that in my lap.

Or does clicking a statue take some special NPU level execution that nobody else can accomplish.

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firamas

lulz x42

clueless.

Fizbiz

SOE needs to pay a group of people to test the end game shit before it goes live. People who are NOT currently in EQ 2 raid guilds.

Whats the point of any end game at all if SOE is handing out the strategys themselves and favoring the guilds willing to suck cock to get WW1sts?

firamas

so who are they going to pay that:

A) isn't an active EQ2 player on a live server
B) is skilled enough to carry through the execution needed on these endgame fights

...uh? ....uh?

are you talking about a dedicated professional playtest guild to test all of their beta raid encounters and post-release raid tweaks? their current playtesters can barely keep up with the basic shit they do to ensure the solo/heroic content is in line... and the closed betas on the test server prior to each expansion (the setting for this entire drama) aren't as productive as they could be.

do you know how much it would cost to employ 24 paid playtesters as full time SoE employees? you're talking the better part of $1mil/year. and telling them they can't play on live servers in their off time... how are you going to regulate that if they want to be sneakysneaky about it?

what they've been doing with guilds like NPU/SD is the most cost effective solution for them.

Drodin

that would be a wonderful waste of money, especially when they can get people to pay them and do the same thing.

There should be more lore hints to how some of the more complex scripts work, because a lot of the more intricate details of the harder fights are anyone's guess to how its supposed to work. The trakanon fight explanation was very specific, so beating it any other way would seem unintended. and it seems like with avatars, if you dont do that exact way you lose.
This blind pigeonholing is not a good way to present content, but handing out a detailed strat to one lucky guild and waiting for the details to spread virally isn't much better.

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Scoundril

Yeah cause 30k or under raid DPS will kill trak for sure.....

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