Good Job Soe on SoH - Page 15

Obsidian · 04-11-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

I think you and Edwin should beat each other dead with game controllers so I don't have to hear your stupid shit about entertainment being hard work.

no game controllers are used in console games wich would be more suited to you and carebear easymode folks like yourself

some people seem to inherently stupid to realise a few simple facts

Challenge = fun
the easiest tasks should not provide the best rewards (this one really is a no brainer and if u are unable to grasp this concept then i pity you i really do)

Rokkual · 04-11-2008, 11:46 AM

How many guilds here are honestly not raiding VP any more?

Epitaphe · 04-11-2008, 11:48 AM

they have to raid it to get to trakanon but if there was a way around it to get to trak they surely would avoid start scrapping VP from their raid rotation.

Widem · 04-11-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rokkual

How many guilds here are honestly not raiding VP any more?

you have to if you want to kill trak.

Tomanak · 04-11-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Edwin Ahe

There are 2 options: you are high on some super-shit, or you are retarded.
Last try: PROBLEM IS NOT WITH LOOT. PROBLEM IS WITH NAMEDS THAT ARE EASIER THEN VAULTS/COD/MAIDENS
Hope that way you will actualy read.

Not that I care one way or another, but Im going to have to call bullshit on this one. Sisters initial AE hit for 100K, I dont believe there is a single named in CoD or Maidens that does so. Are they too easy for the loot? Yes. We 3 grouped half of the zone, that shouldnt happen. Is it too easy a raid zone? maybe, but its NOT as easy as a group zone..at least not for most of the player base.

Im so glad that you all are so uber that you can do SoH with 3 players and no healers but that is by no means true for the rest of the playerbase

dont recollect who said it, but if you raid 4 nights a week, you are NOT a casual guild. casual guilds dont raid at all and casual raid guilds arent in VP

IMO SOE needs to dramatically bump up the T4 loot and maybe bump up the mobs in SoH a bit, either way Im going to farm the shit out of this zone as long as I can, for you know SOE will nerf it soon and then everyone can cry about that

lost · 04-11-2008, 12:05 PM

Half the way into the life of an expansion, the majority of new content should not be easier than the beginner content that already exists. I don't think many people would have minded if the first name was easy and had gear on par with its difficulty that would help fill an itemization gap in the t1/2 zones. Unfortunately, most of the zone was released and easier than existing beginner content, but drops gear on par or better than the best drops from other content. In my mind, the Shard of Hate is to raiders as Kurns Tower would be to non-raiders if it was released as a heroic zone with level 75 mobs.

Pinski · 04-11-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomanak

Not that I care one way or another, but Im going to have to call bullshit on this one. Sisters initial AE hit for 100K, I dont believe there is a single named in CoD or Maidens that does so. Are they too easy for the loot? Yes. We 3 grouped half of the zone, that shouldnt happen. Is it too easy a raid zone? maybe, but its NOT as easy as a group zone..at least not for most of the player base.

You know, if you Kill Master P, you get an item that makes 3 of them go away, and the AE not to happen, right? But since you probably couldn't kill him, dunno!

Slippery · 04-11-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

See those of us who dont define our meaning in life by our servers guild progression table, and who play this recreationaly (the VAST MAJORITY of subscribers by far) every once in awhile like to do something cool too. If you dont understand how thats good buisness, well then, your a fuckin tool. Now matter how you wanna TRY and spin it, raiders are the minority, and hardcore raiders are an even smaller minority inside that.

This is the major flaw in your argument, and the same with everyone else who argues this point. Why do you need the best loot in the game if you aren't fighting the hardest encounters in the game? If the loot means nothing then why can you not just enjoy the encounters for the encounters? I mean the encounters are the fun point, as you yourself are saying, so the loot they drop shouldn't matter. If the loot doesn't matter then there is zero problem with the loot following raid progression and risk vs reward.

No matter how you want to spin it, how many people do you know that don't raid at least casually?

Slippery · 04-11-2008, 12:18 PM

Ya know what, better yet. For all of you arguing this is exactly how the zone should be, let me ask you a question.

How many pick up raids have you seen doing this zone already? Is it because they think this zone is cool? Fuck no. It is because they can get really really nice loot for practically no work.

3devious · 04-11-2008, 12:21 PM

Look, it's pretty easy to understand the issue with this. If you can get great loot in this zone instead of working on progression, why would anyone work on the progressive zones?

The designers have totally shot themselves in the foot. I can guarantee you that these raiders aren't doing the end of the progression to advance the storyline.

Shame on whoever came up with this.