Good Job Soe on SoH - Page 23

Gaige · 04-11-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyger

you're kidding right?

Nope, why would I be?

Illuminator · 04-11-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

They pretty much adapted your busness model Lumi and it pretty much proved how far out of touch with realizty you are.

The questlines go from kill 10 of this to kill 10 of that and virtually no scripted story sequences, giving the player no sense of epic purpose in completing and enjoying the questlines. Half-assing the job doesn't count as "following my business model". You do it my way the whole way or else you don't get to pin me with the blame.

Sub-raid mobs in T8 have too much health and give meaningless xp. We've said this before. There are virtually no linked encounters (a result of the automated zone populating tool?), which would be fine if we only had blue ae's, but we don't. This has dissuaded me from giving one last shot at grinding up a warlock, assuming the game has 80 levels and several weeks of entertaining bliss in the middle, which it doesn't.

There is still no gentle slope between 6-player and 24-player content. When players reach the gap they weigh their choices as:

a) all

or

b) nothing

and choose

b) nothing

...because they are usually here to burn free time, not to punch in and punch out with someone watching, or to train intensively with 23 other fickle players for a season.

I assume you think lag, awful graphics performance, control effects galore, dispels, bugs, imbalance, and demoralizing cheating are also part of my business model? If you have no history here, serious playing ability, or longer-term circle of friends then those things will quickly convince you to cancel.

All of which has been said, and apparently needs to keep being said.

Lyger · 04-11-2008, 02:10 PM

i read what you said and i fully understand it, SoH has some of the easiest epic trash in game and also some of the easiest named epics but it has some that can be pulled numerous ways and also aren't on easymode. all i see is people crying about casuals getting uber loot off the easy named because it degrades the quality of their own loot.

Slippery · 04-11-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kenman

Can somebody answer how long it takes to kill Trakanon from the moment you zone in? With all the people crying about how only people that raid 6 days a week can kill content like that it makes me think it's like an 80 hour fight or some shit. And I find that highly unlikely. /ponder

We kill Trakanon in less than 8 minutes. If it is a laggy night and we completely suck it might take 9 minutes. This definitely amounts to raiding 80 hours a week. The hardcore guilds that everyone wants to say raid 7 days a week 5 hours a night will be raiding 20 hours a week tops in a few weeks. That 20 hours will include clearing every single instance and killing every avatar that spawns as well as trak. I guess since people deem casual by how much they raid that will make us a casual 4 night a week guild.

Legate · 04-11-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

Prolly cause some "stuck up asshole" whos job is to mod the boards is like "Jesus, here comes player X again, with his non stop QQ about how much this game sucks, and how hes made it his personal mission to log in 12 hours a day and find all its flaws, then uses his other 4 hours of awake time to post here over and over and over and over and fucking over and try to convince others who are having a good time, that this isnt really a good time at all, but an exercise in frustration." /delete

"Fuck off dipshit, and take that to the backwater, unsanctioned shitpile that is EQ2Flames, where all other other elitest super players hang out and QQ to each other all day, while ranting on about thier enormous E-Peens, far superior gaming skills, and better game design abilities. Were sick of it here."

Read this thread. Do you fuckin blame them?

Yes, I do.

If they are sick of the complaining for those certain 'tiers' of players, then fix the fucking game. Problem solved.

EDIT: In Eq2, I'm hardly hardcore, but I played eq1 since its BETA release, and I was fairly hardcore there. So no pulling that 'elitist' shit on me. Your talking to a guy who's got CL to look up to as the dominant guild on the server, lockin shit down. I raid like 4 times a week, and even I want this shit to get harder.

Gaige · 04-11-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kenman

Can somebody answer how long it takes to kill Trakanon from the moment you zone in? With all the people crying about how only people that raid 6 days a week can kill content like that it makes me think it's like an 80 hour fight or some shit. And I find that highly unlikely. /ponder

My guild first pulled Trak last time in and the fight took 8:31 or something? So I'd say 15mins max. Takes longer to get everyone there than it does to kill him.

Tomanak · 04-11-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

The fact that you claim the sisters are harder than CoD have everything to do with why you not being able to kill Master P has everything to do with it! Not to mention, Master P isn't that hard, he fucking TELLS you how to beat him. If you can't figure it out, I don't know what to say, other than L2Read. It's what I've told everybody who's asked me about him, L2Read Emotes.

Where did I say we couldnt figure out how to kill Master P? I said we hadnt gotten that far..just means we didnt spend a lot of time in zone before we quit for the night (you know some people have to work). So again Im not sure where you are going with this..your whole L2Read rant is pointless, but appreciated, I'll remember that when we do try him.

Lets start over...even the trash in this zone appears to hit harder than most names in the group zones mentioned, ergo this zone doesnt appear to be as easy as a group zone. Happy now?

My ONLY point is that the mobs are harder than those in CoD and Maidens or at least are for the most of the playerbase.

Alesis · 04-11-2008, 02:15 PM

[quote=Slippery;544370]We kill Trakanon in less than 8 minutes. How much time did you invest to learn and clear VP to get to Trak? How much time would it take to learn to kill Trak if you didnt have a step by step walk through leaked by NPUs pet GM?If it is a laggy night and we completely suck it might take 9 minutes. This definitely amounts to raiding 80 hours a week. The hardcore guilds that everyone wants to say raid 7 days a week 5 hours a night will be raiding 20 hours a week tops in a few weeks. Again whats the time investment to get to this point?That 20 hours will include clearing every single instance and killing every avatar that spawns as well as trak. I guess since people deem casual by how much they raid that will make us a casual 4 night a week guild.If you invest 20 hours a week into EQ2, you have made my point for me. Now would be a good time to step away from the keyboard, and investigate some sunshine.[/quote]

Gaige · 04-11-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyger

all i see is people crying about casuals getting uber loot off the easy named because it degrades the quality of their own loot.

No, because it ruins progression and skews risk vs reward. I don't give a fuck about other people's loot. Why should guilds strive to get better and kill Trak if they can farm SoH respawning trash with one group for nice loot?

Gaige · 04-11-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomanak

Lets start over...even the trash in this zone appears to hit harder than most names in the group zones mentioned, ergo this zone doesnt appear to be as easy as a group zone. Happy now?

My ONLY point is that the mobs are harder than those in CoD and Maidens or at least are for the most of the playerbase.

The night SoH went live we had PURs on Kithicor killing the trash with 3 groups or less all night long.