Contested... Skill Vs Playtimes - Page 19

Phineus · 06-06-2008, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Uyaem

How many interferred on Flame?
If it was like two people, and I were you, I'd be blushing now for being all hardcore contested and all.

We proved it could be done on a pvp server with pvp on us. Now you sayin they are all easy or we bought strats or something. You are funny people. Go ahead and keep minimizing anothers success to make yourselves feel better. Truth is we killed avatars while actually being contested unlike the zone over and sprint you do. Im glad to see you changed your approach tho. Before you said it was because.....

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Contesteds aren't contested mobs on Nagafen, they're look at me, I'm a mob sitting here waiting for nobody to ever pull me because that'd be a waste of time.

Newsflash retard, I don't play games to have competition against players 100% of the time, I play them to have competition against developers to see how intelligent they are at designing content. Good thing EQ2 has shitty developers who seemingly get dominated at every turn.

you didnt want to fight other players for a mob. Now you say we only kill them because they are easy and no one wants to fight us. LOLlolLOL Or that we have to buy strats to kill them. At least you are trying to come up with new bullshit so I applaud you. Of course you couldnt just say "nice job for killing an actually contested mob" cause then you would be admitting that it might be difficult to kill an avatar while being kept in the pvp combat ruleset by zerging blockers.
This guy

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Originally Posted by Uyaem

So contested equals retarded. I see.
If a handful of people can stop an x4 raid from killing a mob with ease, it's not a contest. If the contested mob was more or less a pushover (say, without interference you could 2-group it np), then you'd have a contest. Right now I just have to laugh at you, you play on PvP, you know what happens when you get pulled into PvP combat.

is basically saying they arent even killable on pvp then he comes back with no one tried to stop you. I really enjoy your selective logic. I see that it seems to change to fit whatever you want to believe. Very nice.

Uyaem · 06-06-2008, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Phineus

We proved it could be done on a pvp server with pvp on us. Now you sayin they are all easy or we bought strats or something. You are funny people. Go ahead and keep minimizing anothers success to make yourselves feel better. Truth is we killed avatars while actually being contested unlike the zone over and sprint you do. Im glad to see you changed your approach tho. Before you said it was because.....

You are truely a waste of space, if you got that from my posting.

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Go ahead and keep minimizing anothers success to make yourselves feel better.

And this one wins the prize of most ironic statement of the year.
"You don't have people interfering..." lol

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is basically saying they arent even killable on pvp then he comes back with no one tried to stop you. I really enjoy your selective logic. I see that it seems to change to fit whatever you want to believe. Very nice.

That is not selective logic.
Selective logic is saying "It doesn't matter if 1 or 100 people interfer".
Selective logic is saying "All avatars are of equal difficulty".

Because you can't read I'll spell it out for you:
Being drawn into pvp combat, not the odd passer-by, I'm talking about serious outside interference, is a dumb and artificial way to increase encounter difficulty, and because of how cures work in pvp combat that alone would have made one or two of the earlier AoF very impossible.
You say rushing there before another guild does and downing it is worse than being lucky enough to not have more than X number of (coordinated) people interfer? You must really enjoy dumb luck.

firamas · 06-06-2008, 09:19 AM

Ah yes, a drama thread mixing all the necessary ingredients: frustration, entitlement, grasping rationalizations, guild culture derision, hilariously irrelevant RL insults, name dropping, more weak rationalizations, and a few ignorant trolls to drag the thread along.

Throw in a dash of Red v. Blue, and a few shakes of some inflammatory contemporary political drama argued by certain people with IQ's and worldviews far too small to EVER hold their own on that issue, and you get something special. A delicious treat for the drama vampires to feed upon. Mmmmmm. Goes down smooth.

Pinski · 06-06-2008, 10:58 AM

Again, Grats on getting raped by Justice, grats on getting raped by Tangrin, grats on getting raped by any semi-hard Avatar that you aren't given the strat for.

firamas · 06-06-2008, 11:34 AM

Grats on being a misguided, misinformed, ill-tempered prick?

I mean, I know that your guild (and the two former guilds composing it) didn't have to spend more than 15 or 20 minutes learning every contested mob that they've killed over the last year or two, so I really shouldn't be so arrogant as to even speak in the same thread as you. Our inability to get a WW 3rd on Tangrin without sending in a spy to watch you guys kill it (*cough*) speaks nothing but ill about my guild and the players within it. I humbly apologize for being such a fucking scrub. This content is easy and we have no excuse for not having a dead monkey at our feet. But perhaps allow me the opportunity to at least meekly shuffle around this e-space and hang off your every virtuous word, so that one day I, and my guild, can maybe one day uphold the highest traditions of MMO excellence that you have set. You are truly collosus, bestride this world, and we are mere mortal miscreants in your shadow...

Jesus fucking christ, get over yourself dude. At one point in time I wanted to join Confirmed, for a few reasons completely unrelated to anything in this thread, but personal and valid reasons nonetheless. And there are a lot of good people under that tag that I would have liked to have called "guildmate" (and still wouldn't mind, under a different pretext). But after seeing the way YOU represent yourself here I'm not sure that arrangement would have worked out well. When I encounter a personality such as yours, it's just a powderkeg waiting for a catalyst. I probably would have given up after a few weeks in ventrilo and straight up said the things that other people were too afraid to say in your guilds these last 2 years.

You may be a successful guild leader, but that still doesn't change the fact that you are an insufferable douchebag to pretty much everyone that doesn't wear your guild tag. For fuck's sake come off it, it's embarassing and degrading to watch. You are not an internet messiah.

Pinski · 06-06-2008, 11:44 AM

Shut the fuck up you fucking lying sack of shit. Your inability to even kill Fear without getting Snark to tell you the strat is what makes you joke. Oh, grats on the fact you killed Byzola, by getting lucky and not getting any Arcane/Physical adds.

But seriously, shut the fuck up with your lying bullshit, Snark gave you the Fear strat, you CONTINUALLY make up bullshit. Oh, by the way, how's that Brigand coming up on Unrest, since you so seemingly were going to app to Confirmed, but the reason why you didn't was because you didn't want to "show up" Nonok. Yah, I love your bullshit 2-faced shit. You are such a 2-faced liar it's pathetic.

Snark gave you the strat, you don't believe it, you are dumb. By the way, how about that Beehive Negating the Tangrin's AE Trick that I heard your guild pulled out of the ass, wait no you didn't, you get told shit and believe it 100%, you are a retard who can't kill anything without help or waiting months for it to die. Nobody in my guild is afraid to say anything, why? Because I don't kick people who go against me at all. In case you haven't noticed I've only kicked 1 person as a guild leader, and honestly she deserved it as the biggest drama whore who cybered anything she could get her hands on.

firamas · 06-06-2008, 11:59 AM

Pinski, I'm hoping that your personal obsession with my guild not only continues, but increases in intensity. It's pretty neat. I'm not sure what's really fueling it (well, I have some ideas) but regardless it's hilarious to watch the leadership of EQ2's premiere raiding guild get so spun up. =)

And you can scream, shout, and stamp your feet all you want while making "SnarkVictis" comments, but I was there both nights of pulling Fear, and I know how much our strategy changed (just about nil), and I know how much we knew about it after the first night (essentially everything). We had an open Trakanon timer and PvP building, so we left to go do Trak and sleep on it. I know Snark talked to one of our members, and I also know that he didn't tell him ANYTHING of importance that we hadn't already figured out; it was more of a "yeah, that should work" type conversation when he was asked some questions. We shifted the raid about 5m back and weren't getting hit with the raid wipe AE anymore... boom, we win. No one outside the guild TOLD us to do that, you twat. You seem to be so monumentally butthurt that anyone in your guild would even HINT to a friend outside the guild that a proposed avatar strat would work that you're going to take anything you hear and blow it straight out of proportion. Fuck off. You aren't nearly as important or regarded as you presume yourself to be.

Snark · 06-06-2008, 12:31 PM

I would like to preface my involvement here by saying I hate seeing drama between VV and Confirmed, I like both guilds and the people in them so this is something i would much rather just avoid...

I wasn't there for the first night of fear pulling, but taking into account what information I gave and received I would have expected fear to depop without my involvement. VV is a very capable guild that raids long hours and is very determined. I don't see that kind of effort in most high end successful guilds. Would you have killed fear next time? Surely. Though somehow me trying to help a guild I love to see succeed got leaked and miffed a lot of my guild mates. I was even threatened to get kicked. So I feel the gravity of the situation, become, and it confuses me why you brush it off your shoulders.

Jeramir is a brilliant player (probably the best tank i've played with) and he even made some improvements on how we pull it. But without nudging him in the right direction I'm confident the puzzle pieces would have failed to click before it depopped (This time).

so In summary.. is VV a very capable independent guild? Yes. Did me sharing what worked in my experience catalyze the inevitable success on a single encounter? yes. Does calaglin have a right to be upset that his guilds effort is being taken for granted? yes. Is become being way too stubborn? yes. do we all need to take a few steps back and realize this is just a game? yes!!

firamas · 06-06-2008, 12:45 PM

Please do not infer through my above statements that I am demeaning Confirmed as a guild. I assure you this is entirely directed towards an individual. I even specifically separated him (and his statements here) from the rest of the guild, because I don't mean to attack them on ANY level.

Bottom line: Cal and I are both extremely strong willed people. We both respond very, erm, vehemently to certain types of drama or accusations. I feel as if his statements towards Vae Victis over the last week or two have been unwarranted, exaggerated, defamatory, and inflammatory. If he doesn't expect someone to rise up and say "hold on a fucking minute here" then he's deluded.

Swass · 06-06-2008, 12:57 PM

Only thing that is considered a strat in EQ2 raiding is raid positioning and the pull.

Things like pull ****** mob and blow it the fuck up or pull ****** mob and follow a script is ------------------------------->