Contested... Skill Vs Playtimes - Page 16

Snark · 05-14-2008, 03:10 PM

Alesis, I get the feeling you lead a very solitary, boring, and productive existence.

rukkis · 05-14-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

If this game is so easy, how does it feel to raid with a bunch of people that suck at an easy game?[/quote]

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Originally Posted by Epitaphe

learn to quote dumbfuck.

velarian1 · 05-14-2008, 05:33 PM

Alexis~ U must of miss the whole reason why they are over there, hell u aren't even american ffs... and i frankly don't give a fuck if u get offended.

Me and my husband were over their providing shelter, food and water u dipshit, u don't deserve a fucking link ffs.. put a pair a boots on son and go check it out.. and the funniest thing is my husband's company served with thousands of Netherlands troops, I think u will find that our force over there is MULTINATIONAL.. so, please don't give me the "everyone hates americans" bullshit. I guess not everyone from Netherlands agree with ur sorry excuse for not defending other peoples freedom..

U have already proven u are an uneducated piece of shit already, whose sole purpose in life is to try to "win" at internet games. U talk about shit u have no idea about, and then argue with people who WERE over there and who unlike u know what the fuck they are talking about...

So, again until u spend a day in our shoes STFU u piece of shit..oh and guess what, we already changed their 2000 year old culture dipshit, or did u NOT get that memo either?

Alesis · 05-14-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by velarian1

Alexis~ U must of miss the whole reason why they are over there, hell u aren't even american ffs Thank god for small favors right?... and i frankly don't give a fuck if u get offended.

Me and my husband were over their providing shelter, food and water u dipshit, u don't deserve a fucking link ffs.Screenshots or it didnt happen. put a pair a boots on son and go check it out..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq

United States: 250,000 invasion—158,000 current (1/08)

Netherlands: 1,345 troops (deployed 7/03—withdrawn 3/05)
For the record, we also considered sending prostitutes over to help our boys let off some steam, cause thats how concerned with the war effort we where lol. We where concerned our boys werent getting enough pussy, and considered sending them some, on the government dime. Our effort over there was more like "Yeah sure USA, you can borrow a few dudes, but we need em back by March 05."

and the funniest thing is my husband's company served with thousands of Netherlands troops, Thousands? only 1345 where ever sent muffin,and we brought them home March of 05. typical of the American, doesnt even know whats going on in the world, bust still trying to run some shit I think u will find that our force over there is MULTINATIONAL.. Check out this link :

Multinational force in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

United States: 250,000 invasion—158,000 current (1/08)

United Kingdom: 45,000 invasion—4,000 current (4/08)
The entire rest of the fucking planet came up with 21,323 troops

Heres some of that Multinational force that made up the 21,323 troops that didnt come from the USA or UK:

Iceland: 2 troops (deployed 5/03—withdrawal date unknown)

Japan: 600 troops (deployed 1/04—withdrawn 7/06)

Slovakia: 110 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/07)

Kazakhstan: 29 troops (12/07; deployed 9/03)

Bulgaria: 485 peak—155 current (2/08; deployed 5/03)

Australia: 2,000 invasion—~900 current (11/07)

South Korea: 3,600 peak—933 current (12/07; deployed 5/03)

Now I dont mean to bust all Michael Moore on you, but lol, the entire world came up with roughly 10% of your Multinational Force, and well, that just kinda speaks for itself doesnt it? Maybe you should stop believing all the propoganda your goverment choke fucks you with on a daily basis, and think for yourself. Id also suggest researching some shit before speaking in a public forum, cause your numbers are off, and it makes you look sort of wack. Thousands of Dutch troops? Where they flying in a seond set of a thousand boys and keeping it under the radar, so only you, your husband and his CO knew about it or something?

so, please don't give me the "everyone hates americans" bullshit. I guess not everyone from Netherlands agree with ur sorry excuse for not defending other peoples freedom.Defending whos freedom? The Iraqi peoples freedom? Defending freedom is a fucking cop out the US uses to secure military bases in oil producing countries. I worked for a company when the war started who built municipal sized water filtration systems that where used to turn shitty desert water into drinkable water. The USA ordered 5 of them from us weeks before the war started, and had them shipped to the Middle East on semi trailor skids so they could be planted on concrete slabs as soon as the Invasion was complete. Guess who that clean water was for? The Iraqis? Nope, the permanent army bases the US denied they where gonna build once Bhagdad was taken. I know, cause I shipped them there, and then made the travel arraingments for the engineers we sent to Iraw to show the Army engineers how to setup/install the sytems. We offered to donate 3 skids just like thiers to the Iraqi people, at $260,000 each, just for free, to help out the people of that nation. The Army turned us down, and cited free clean water skids as a "security risk".

U have already proven u are an uneducated piece of shit already, whose sole purpose in life is to try to "win" at internet games.How/where? Link please, or screenshot or it didnt happen. The above info already shows you like to make shit up, so lets see some evidence. U talk about shit u have no idea about, and then argue with people who WERE over there and who unlike u know what the fuck they are talking about... Just because you put on some army boots, and did as you where told, doesnt make you any more of an expert than I am. And your right, I dont know what you did over there, maybe you handed out cheese sandwiches and porn to all the needy boys in Iraq, but no matter what you try to argue about how much good your doing, and how much help your bringing, you can not, under any circumstances rationalize the videos being shot of people being tortured, homes being invaded, and familys being held at gunpoint. Its just not possible to talk about peace while holding a gun, in body armor while standing on a fucking tank. Of course you are a drone, so you wont understand that.

So, again until u spend a day in our shoes STFU u piece of shit..oh and guess what, we already changed their 2000 year old culture dipshit, or did u NOT get that memo either? Im not sure which is sadder- the fact that your proud you changed thier culture, or the fact that you think because some fuckers showed up with some firepower that youve changed the culture. White dudes have been trying to do that shit for centuries, ever since the Crusades, and yet still, they perservere. Maybe America needs to learn to shut the fuck up and mind its own god damn buisness, and quit putting thier stinky, oil covered pricks in everyones ass. And you wonder why they strap bombs to thier chest and sneak up on the American high school kids over thier "securing Americas freedom." Please, go read some and educate yourself you fucking lemming.

Alesis · 05-14-2008, 08:04 PM

PS: No more politics, Im done with that topic.

Elvbryn · 05-14-2008, 08:27 PM

lol you used wikipedia as a source

velarian1 · 05-14-2008, 11:27 PM

Greetings, this is Melladee’s husband, seems you got her pretty riled up. Given that I don’t have an account here but am an active lurker I felt maybe I could shed some light on this given my personal experience.

For those that don’t wish to partake any further in a political discussion, I apologize and invite you to skip forward in your reading.

I would like to point out that I spent over 10 years in the military as a combat engineer, a majority of those years were spent in some of the worst places I have ever seen and in situations that I hope my kids never have to deal with.

I won’t get into some freshman tactic of quoting your points; rather I would attempt to offer a rational, experienced based thesis.

First, my time spent in Iraq (2 tours) was quite an eye opener as far as culture is concerned, however in the end I decided these people are not so different from the rest of the world. They want educational facilities, food & clean water and a safe place to live. This is not an exhaustive list but rather a way to show you that they indeed want the same things we do.

Your assertion that we cannot change 2000 years of conflict may seem appropriate, it was the way I felt too in the beginning. We must understand that to advance as a society, there must be an infrastructure to do so, that I believe is what the US and other countries are attempting to provide. What would your suggestion be, leave the current system in place and let the violence and oppression continue? I don’t think that’s very forward looking.

Secondly, the people you claim that don’t want our help are not the same ones currently in charge of the government – in fact, the very ones I believe you are speaking about are the Baathist party, dominated by Iraqi Shiites. Of course they don’t want us there, they ruled the country with an iron glove and profited immensely through the stripping of any resource Iraq had to further their own ends. One of these ends that were fully supported was the systematic decimation of the Kurds. I know, I spoke to many of them – the horse’s mouth if you will.

As far as what equipment and infrastructure is provided to theatre, well, I suppose if I had to go a few weeks without clean water it might pose an issue in attaining the above goals.

Let me begin to close by saying, I wish everyone was home, I wish I didn’t have to go, I wish the world could solve its problems in less violent ways. But this is not the way of the world of today and only through continuing to advance can we stop these things in the world of the future. I am reminded of some words you may or may not agree with:

“Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
George Orwell

To be continued, sorry for the derail

velarian1 · 05-14-2008, 11:28 PM

If I am one of these men, then I stand proudly, I have been there to put my money where my mouth is. I personally have been involved in many of the ongoing efforts you say you “would like to do” – actions speak louder than words, I was there on those cold nights and hot days, where were you? I have worked in 125 degrees days on end to provide for the dams and water ways to provide water to southern Iraq – water that had been damned up by dumping 1000’s of yards of concrete in the rivers to deny the local farmers water. What you suggest is that I sit in my living room watching TV while my neighbor’s house burns down with him in it. I simply don’t agree with this philosophy. You seem to become quite agitated with anyone that has a differing opinion – I am not saying your wrong rather I am saying get involved. If you have a better idea shares it. If you see a better way, show me. However, I am just a simple solider, a little college, a few kids and a desire to see if I can make the world a better place for even just one person. If this makes me the evil killer you make it to be, then so be it, in the end I only have to answer to one Man.

Lastly, I have seen more Iraqi people killing Iraqi then I have seen them kill Coalition Forces or us them. Please leave the “baby killer” and “war machine” comments where they belong and this is not the place.

Yes, I have defended myself and the men under my watch. I have used violence of action to ensure the safety of Coalition Forces and Local Nationals. I have engaged in raids on known terrorist targets, insurgent meeting places and took into custody those individuals declared wanted by either the Coalition and/or the Iraqi Government.

BUT,

I have provided clean water to thousands.

I have sought care for a woman with complications of child birth

I have saved the life of a common pump station manager from certain death at the hands of his own people.

I took my own off time, along with many of my fellow soldiers to make a supply run for a local farmer, whose vehicle was not working. He needed grains and feed for the sheep that supplied the village with food and income.

I cleared a small cache of old, unstable munitions from the yard of a local school so they could once again teach their children. The school had been closed prior to that for many years.

I have sat in the tents of the roving tribes of Bedouins discussing how WE would move OUR perimeters to allow them to continue to use their traditional routes that they have walked over for hundreds of years.

Yes, I am a terrible man – may I burn in hell.

Thank you for all that have read this, it is my opinion I do not expect it to be yours – that’s what this is about, I simply ask that you allow me to have mine as I have defended the right for you to have yours.

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Alesis · 05-15-2008, 09:00 AM

Alesis- bringing families together, one thread at a time!

velarian1 · 05-15-2008, 11:32 AM

Alexis~ losing more brain cells one thread at a time!