Henladar Bloodheart

Ok... lets look at it this way. DPS is pretty much just a big e-peen contest for most. Using DPS you can cheat or just show up late and win. Usign EXT DPS it gives people more incentive to be on time and try throughout the whole zone. As a brigand that raids with people that know what they are doing i about never win the ZW using EXT DPS. If we used DPS i could cheat and look like the damn man.

Valthor

I mean either way you Sort it you get the same numbers, Same total damage same total time same DPS same ext. dps.

A lot of the time we do swap outs in zones and I would rather see it broken down this way personally on my forums as a raid leader than just sorted by ext. that way I can see what someone was doing while they were in zone..

Is all perspective.

The high brig DPS can be partially attributed to the fact they were stacked with a Dirge, Illus and Inquis.

Henladar Bloodheart

Quick question... while looking at DPS.. you notice someone sucks total balls at their DPS class... do you give them the boot?

Valthor

Did it with an Assassin in the past for Ninja AFKs and such but for the most part we try to help people to improve their DPS instead of kicking them

Terra

Umm yeah, so what does your conjurer parse without a troub? Just curious etc.

And it's rather hard to cast spells on malkonis if you're on coffin duty. I would have been lots higher if treyloth didn't reflect stuff and I'd been able to nuke malkonis freely.

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Terra

Of course, now that I think about it, treyloth reflecting affects everyone yet gives an upper hand to melee dps. Ignore that :P

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Arangor

What he meant is that 1500 zonewide would have barely been 6th for any class in Fable. I like FTH as a conj, there are those groups of 4 that are fun to DPS on. I pretty much never have a troub illusionist or anything however. What did you have in your group?

You did about 2k without the last 2 named. With no troub it's fine. On the single trash I try to do 2k (in my melee grp ><) but on the grouped ones, IIRC there's a couple with 2 or 3 trash mobs and then the groups of 4 I want to be doing at least 2.5k. The past 2 runs in there I've died on the big groups where we shine though We don't really wait one second to pull so it's a little challenge to get back on track. But Fable has some very, very good DPS so it's pretty competitive, compared to where I came from when it was pretty much a cake walk to parse #1.

Terra

I don't recall the exact group but I'm sure there was at least one wizard, illu for regen (60% sure I didn't have synergism, will have to check that) and a fury or a mystic.

And umm... not giving a troub to a conjurer who uses mage pet seems like an utter waste to me :/ Ember seed on melee will never measure up the benefit a conjurer gets from the troub. But that might be just me :P

Those big groups, I actually put on raiment of the skywatcher (or something) if I don't have a deagro. Way too easy to die to them without any kind of deagro.

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Arangor

Well as much as I would love a troub every raid, it just doesn't happen but it's not a big deal. The group setups sometimes don't work out 100% perfect for everybody but you work with what you have. And BTW punch that illusionist in the mouth if he didn't give you Synergism He should gave it to himself and you next, no question. You'll use it more than the sorcerer who most likely had TC.

Yeh it's pretty easy to die on them...I just put up stoneskin and it rarely works out while hitting the mage pet deaggro. With no troub I'm still pretty much guaranteed death if I don't hold it back.

Fewson

For zonewide that is true.

But for individual fights along the way, it isbest to have both DAMAGE and DPS. DAMAGE = EXT DPS, so you get how much damage they did in the fight. DPS let's you know if they nuke early, if they slacked for half the fight etc...when you contrast it to their total damage.

If using ACT use the capitalized version to get rid of the fractions and see a larger parse...because I don't think anyone needs the fractions. Also I use NAME3 to abbreviate the name to three characters. Alot of people already know all of this, just putting it out for those who may not and it may be of value to.