Claria

Wow, you're stupider than I thought. I'm still trying to figure out the logic behind your statement, but I cant. You said before to take the warden out of the MT group to help with the example for a noxious dot, and now your reasoning is that a defiler can group cure it. Ok, so again.... what the fuck does the warden do? I was assuming that you were saying to take the warden out since the defiler can group cure the MT group, and have the warden group cure whatever group doesnt have nox cure.... but... since warden has elemental/trauma, what the fuck does that do?

In the example of the Treyloth fight though..... everyone who says that the DPS should cure themselves... is just simply talking about whats the FASTEST way to cure. I seriously don't think you can argue that all trauma effects will be cured FASTER by having DPS cure themselves as opposed to a healer single curing everyone in their group... To most guilds, it probably doesnt make a difference.... whether healers cure, or whether DPS cures... the mob will die. To guilds that are having problems with the fight though.... the little bit of DPS you gain by having your DPS actually DPS during that second, isnt worth the risk. What risk? Well, in a guild is having problems with Treyloth, its more than likely the tank is dying during Searing Rot.... which means the traumas arent being cured FAST enough. If you leave it up to the healers to cure everyone.... 1) the cures will be slower since they have to either spend a 2 sec cast on a group cure, or 1 second to cure every person in their group, and for every second its not cured, thats more damage on the tank.... 2) while the healers are curing the DPS... thats less heals on the tank.... and in turn... at a time he needs heals the most.... hes getting the least amount of heals...... So, for guilds that are having problems with Treyloth.... just telling the healers to cure fast enough.... means the tank will die, and that little bit of DPS gained... does jack shit... grats....

I do cure whoever I can.... and if its only 1 person in my group... I'll likely get it cured before they do.... but in an instance where 3 people in my group have it on them (and im on my fury, so no group cure) it would be faster if DPS cures themselves..... if they dont..... well I'll have everyone cured as soon as I can... but... if you're a DPS and want to be able to move faster.... well I can only cast so fast and you can do something about it yourself.

Morara

It's DPS's responsibility to not make the healer have to deal with them. If the healer has to turn to you, it better be unavoidable.

__________________

Artwat

Warden can be moved into a group with say a templar / inquis / etc. that cant grp cure the noxious to split the heals. Like I said before, instead of posting bullshit trying to make yourself know like you know something, L2FuckingRead.

Pinski

Yes, you can give a DPS group 2 healers, what the fuck is the point of doing that when if you can get DPS to cure themselves you won't have to gimp your raid setup?

__________________
All of the seasons and all of the days
All of the reasons why I've felt this way
So long...
So long
Then lost in that feeling I looked in your eyes
I noticed emotion and that you had cried
For me
I can see

Artwat

Because does your Templar and Defiler suck THAT much that you need a warden in the MT grp to gimp your MT group?

Claria

Wait a min here.... you're the one who suggested that for a nox dot, to remove the warden from the MT group. No one mentioned any MT group set ups.... YOU said to remove the warden in this specific scenario.... which would obvioulsy imply that you usually run with a warden in the MT group (as do a lot of guilds), then you say that a warden gimps the MT group. OK.... so explain this to me then.... if in your opinion the warden gimps the MT group... why would you even have him in there at all to begin with to be able to remove him? Wouldn't you start out with the best possible set up for the raid... and then only change it if certain fights require a different set up?? So why on earth would you start with something that you're calling a gimped set up... only to ungimp the group for specific fights. Again.... you're making no sense at all and doing nothing but proving that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Iskiab

Where did all the retards come from on EQ2flames?

I've played a brigand, I've played a warden. It makes more sense for the brigand to use a potion. It's the same shit as always in all these scenarios. You will always have a handful of slackers who won't do what's needed to win. They show up late, no resist gear, no potions, no nothing. I can only assume the people who play dps who expect healers to cure them are these kinds of people.

Just /guildremove yourself from a raiding guild already. As a dps you should be doing WHATEVER it takes to win, not trying to push responsibilities onto someone else. If I played a brigand I'd have the potions and use them even if a healer was assigned to me. Why? Because it would help to win. You fuckers who won't do whatever it takes to win are pathetic. You should be stepping up and trying to do these small things if it means success. This is why your guild probably sucks atm. People like you.

Artwat

So.. why exactly do I need potions to cure myself when I have a spell that does it? I'm pointing out that its pretty fucking pathetic if your healers suck too bad to cure. I've never had an issue where I couldn't cure someone in time. I never will.

Relying on potions is stupid since your healer should be on that shit. Saying otherwise is like saying your tank should be using regen potions on themselves instead of having healers on them.

And Claria.. Rant much?

Laodaron

Jesus christ. It might be easier for a DS to cure, which I understand.

However, its the fucking healer's job to do it. Its a fucking spell they get. That means that their class role involves curing.

But, for the record, a fast casting DPS doesn't really lose much from it, same as healers don't lose much from hitting it. Its a 2 way street.

Pinski

And if a situation arrises like the one I explained, what happens? You die.

__________________
All of the seasons and all of the days
All of the reasons why I've felt this way
So long...
So long
Then lost in that feeling I looked in your eyes
I noticed emotion and that you had cried
For me
I can see