LFG

This was beaten to death in the 2500 reply post, but I was there that day and clearly remember a set of templar arms looted from the Tender after the Rumber was not killed. It's a fact that we wouldn't have looted those arms without yelling the Rumbler. So we did in fact get loot based on not killing a mob.

Let's get something straight also - I'm not accusing you or your guild of anything. I did everything you did at that raid. I'm just restating the facts and applying logic to them, since I was there.

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Illuminator

Uhhhh.....

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Xelus

This whole Rumbler thing seems pretty irrelevent now =p. They changed it, they finally fixed him, done is done =p.

It's like using invis in T5 Darthar runs... they changed it so you can no longer invis through the zone (to my knowledge). Everyone did it, so everyone exploited to a degree. So yea, Disso yelled the rumbler, so what . So I guess everyone should be rolled back to T5 because we all invised past the trash mobs to Darathar to finish our Epic 1.0s; then used thoses epics to level to to T6 and so on..... Yelling the Rumbler was no big deal, get over it.

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LFG

100% agree - and even when it was relevant, SoE is more responsible for all of that drama than every single other person combined.

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Ishbu

So your saying that the tender and rumbler are the same encounter? That seems pretty fucking stupid if thats what you think.

Using your pathetic logic your saying ANY loot gotten off the tender on ANY server is a result of the rumbler encounter? Because I could have sworn those templar shoulders were discovered on most servers before the rumbler was ever killed. How is that possible?

The only answer of course is that you do not have to kill the rumbler to kill the tender. It is not the same encounter therefore it is irrelavent.

LFG next time you speak, try and at least get things right. Encounters dont change based on random rolls of the dice when you zone in. Unless SOE changes the encounter you can enter EH 100000 times and the tender encounter will always be the same. The rumbler is not an add spawned by the tender. Any loot gotten from teh tender is a result of killing the tender.

Encounters dont drop multiple chests and since SOE fixed the rumbler to be killable, it has been verified to drop loot, therefore it is its own encounter by the rules of this game. Quit trying to say the tender is part of the rumbler encounter because that is just plain ignorant.

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Gage

So what you're saying is that random encounters only matter if Ishbu deems them so, not if SOE does?

Interesting, and quite fitting of your ego.

LFG

I never said that.

But your entire argument was based on the premise that you didn't get loot from yelling the Rumbler. That isn't true. As a matter of basic logic, you got loot off the tender because you yelled the Rumbler, since you could not have gotten loot from the Tender but for the fact you yelled the Rumbler.

Rather than erupt into one of your headbursts, why not open your mind to the fact that all I'm doing is suggesting you choose a different argument. The one you are using now, based on your lack of understanding of causation, is fatally flawed.

Google "causation" or "causality" sometime and you'll see what I mean.

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Slippery

While I agree with what you are trying to say, people were killing Tender with the Rumbler still up by just off tanking it. So, basically, the fact that you don't kill the Rumbler if it is up didn't mean you couldn't get loot from Tender otherwise.

Ishbu

Show me a quote of SOE ssaying the rumbler is part of the tender encounter and that you cant get loot from the tender without killing the rumbler.

If you cant do that, you just made up shit and put words in SOE's mouth.

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Ishbu

That isnt true at all. I have gotten loot off the tender countelss times without yelling the rumbler. That is a fact and you cant argue it.

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"So standing around doing nothing makes you a better player and for a more satisfying game experience you dumb fucking idiot?" - Me