Manyak

/yelling the rumber never was an exploit. for something to be considered an exploit, you'd have to be getting something out of doing it. /yelling rumbler did not provide you with anything - not loot, not xp, not AA....nothing. You could EASILY kill tender while off-tanking the rumbler, so its not like you NEEDED to kill him to kill tender. And even if you did chose to do that cuz it was more 'honorable', youd end up /yelling the rumbler afterwards anyway and either killing it or wiping, resulting in the EXACT SAME outcome. And being that off-tanking it is rediculously easy, if you REALLY want to consider one an exploit, youd have to consider the other option an exploit as well.

And honestly, even if it WAS an exploit, why the hell does it matter to anyone if another guild does it? It doesnt affect you at all since its completely in an instance. If someone was performing an exploit that prevented YOU from playing the game properly, then its understandable (such as someone ninja-pulling pantrila to the entrance of ToS while your guild is actually killing their way down there). But excuse me for saying that some guild all the way on another server exploited something in an instance that has no affect on yours or anyone else's gameplay at all, except maybe hurting ur ego just a little bit.

And to top it all off, no guild yelled the rumber cuz they WANTED to exploit the shit out of him. Im sure every single guild WW would have preferred to kil him legit and get some loot off of him. But it was a solution to Sonys half-assed mob creation - its what the guilds HAD to do to be able to actually play the damn game they are paying for. So, if you really consider this an exploit, you should blame sony for making it the only real option available, not anyone else for actually doing it.

Alot of the people here ave played since launch or shortly afterwards. Since then, assuming you paid the minimum $14 a month, that ends up to a total of about $550 spent on this game. You can buy a car for that much. So say you did.....but then it turns out that every time you take a sharp turn the car shuts off cuz the gas doesnt go into the engine. Which solution would you prefer - waiting 2 weeks and paying another $500 to replace the entire fuel pump and injection system when you cant afford it.....or simply replacing the intake hose in the fuel tank to make it slightly longer so that it can pick up the fuel even on those turns (which costs about $10 and takes 20 mins of work)? Even someone who has no clue about cars should be able to figure out if they would prefer to spend $500 or $10. And its the same situation with the rumbler than everyone was given - find your own solution to getting past it, or dont ever be able to complete EH.

So if you chose to never "exploit" the rumbler by off-tanking or yelling it, and never fight tender if the rumbler was up, then consider this post as me calling you a dumb fuck for paying for a game you refuse to play.

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Deludar

in a car that costs 550? id expect something like that

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Manyak

do u also expect something like that from a GAME that costs $550?

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Stork/Atris

It's really quite simple people. I'm under the impression if you aggro Wuoshi (3rd floor boss) he gets the aid of Sawtooth the Ancient? and other mobs possibly?

Im under the understanding on the 2nd floor, if you aggro the Gardener, he is aided by any surrounding Brownies? and the unicorn etc.?

Im also under the impression, but never actually witnessed it, If you engage the Tender, while you have not yet killed the rumbler, it engages?

HOT FUCKING DAMN GUYS!

This kinda makes it look like every Named fucking encounter on the floor was to be beat before you could kill the boss, unless u can take them on at the same time.

does this make it any more clear? Makes perfect sense to me, but hey, im just me.

Ishbu

So what yoru saying is you must beat the other named before you can beat the "boss" named of each floor. So what you rsaying is anyone who didnt actually kill the rumbler didnt do it correct. So what your saying is that everyone who yelled the rumbler, offtanked the rumbler and then wiped, or didnt have the rumbler up didnt it the wrong way?

Well then, what is the right way of doing it? Or did you want to change what you wrote? Because nobody beat the rumbler before it was changed with the most recent LU, and thats a fact.

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Kavoc

Is it possible that perhaps SOE didn't even realize the the rumbler was actually broken/unbeatable until this whole issue exploded here on these boards, regardless of whether there were /bug reports submitted?

I know it is lumping everyone there into one group, but obviously they were out of touch enough with the raiding community to not even know who killed Valor first. So maybe when asked a direct question about if yelling the rumbler was an exploit the answer was yes based upon the belief that it was working as intended. Then upon seeing the drama unfold, they decided to fix the encounter they discovered was broken, and at the same time prevent yelling the now working encounter.

Regardless, nobody is ever going to be able to prove if yelling the old rumbler was or was not an exploit, because the old rumbler simply does not exist anymore, and there are no relevant constants that exist between it and the new version to make an argument with. All that we are left with is the knowledge that SOE released content that was broken in a multitude of ways.

Gaige

Its funny how you lump offtanking a mob into the same type of "strat" as despawning a mob using a broken /yell mechanic that only works on ring events as if they are the same thing.

Might want to check your information sources. O_o

LFG

This was the original intent - for the other named on each floor to add when you pulled the boss mob on that particular floor, unless you killed the other named first.

Rumbler added not because it was part of the Tender encounter - it added when Tender was pulled because that's what it was designed to do, just like the other named add on the upper floors if they are still up when the floor boss is pulled.

My understanding is that the recent changes to EH changed this fact on the first floor only, so that you can now avoid the Rumbler if you want, and he won't add when you pull Tender. (I haven't seen Rumbler in EH since those changes, but that's what I was told, so rather than calling me a dumbshit if I'm wrong on this one point, here is my disclaimer). So the intent of the original design was changed on the first floor only, and continues on the second and third floors.

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Ishbu

Either way you didnt beat the encounter. The fact is wiping to the rumbler is not beating the encounter anymore so than getting rid of it is. You cant argue against that because its true.

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"So standing around doing nothing makes you a better player and for a more satisfying game experience you dumb fucking idiot?" - Me

Stork/Atris

no sir, i don't want to change what i wrote. The Rumbler was made to be killed before the Tender. If you can kill the tender while offtanking the rumbler, then more power to you. Admitantly it isn't hard. The fact that you killed the rumbler in a broken state (yelled) and then proceeded to kill the Tender of the Seedlings, and receive loot, is what people are calling you on. Had you offtanked the rumbler, had it not been up, then there would be no contraversy. Damn I can't spell today. Anyways, see what I'm saying? I'm not sayin u exploited or didn't here, just pointing out that it's pretty obvious HOW the zone was meant to be progressed thorugh, and that by yelling, you found a way to bypass it, granted!!! you didnt receive loot from the rumbler, you received loot from other encounters, which you would'nt have gotten had you not yelled. Coprende?