Xelus

Not playing this game and laughing at fuck ups like this sure makes my day =p.

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Stork/Atris

dudes, lol SD killed the thing, they have the eq2players links to prove they killed it first.

i fully expect that as all avatars are changed, stupid ignorant FUCKS are going to do this over, and over and over. OMGGGGGZZZZZZZ it said they fixed wuoshi! that means since we were the 1st to kill him since then we got the 1st, same with AoV, same with Flame, cos prolly a change is gonna be rolling in, I bet when they eventually fix the gardener's lag and Mayongs lag, these same stupid fucks are gonna claim they got the WW1st on the easier version too, just so they can.


SD killed the content that was made available to them at the time. both on Wuoshi, and AoV, to try to say that you deserve the 1st over them is UTTER FUCKING BULLSHIT. guess what assholes, you had the same fucking content avaliable to you when SD got the kills, so, why didnt u kill it then? oh yea thats right, cos you cant. gimpsauce. GG Pandemonium,

Grats SD on the ww1st,s and grats to all you worthless fucks who think that being 3rd is actually 1st.


we killed Malkonis first, and got shit for it, but the facts stands. We got the loot first, we got the kills first, we had the same "gimp" Treyloth the rest of the world had, but, we killed it, they didnt, same thing goes here, SD killed it where u didnt till later.

anyways this bowl is just screamin my name, so peace out.

Epitaphe

so i remember someone starting a thread named gratz on killing a broken avatar. in this post there was a detailed argumentation on how that avatar getting killed world first was irrevelant since priest mobs were not spawning and making the encounter trivial.

This fixed version is what the avatar should have been at release, meaning that those killing it in the proper version of AoV should get the credit.
SD killed the first beta 0.8 and pande killed the V1.0 promptely followed by SD (showing their first kill wasnt sheer luck/beta/whatever you want it)

Who is to claim the world first is absolutely subjective, depending on wich version is supposed to count. beta 0.8 could be concidered like killing it on beta server. but the fact remain that this version beta 0.8 was pushed live. so....

This uproar about pande reminds me of the bashing EC had to take because they started doign very good at the begining of KoS when they were not as much heared of before.

As for grim i have nothing to say, i m too lazy to even go to official board and read his post.

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Comalv

man u guys really make me laugh

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Comalv

do u even read what u post? lol...


omg why noone claimed WW1st on enhanced MMIS first 5 nameds? they're harder now!

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Levlelfe

Yep ... but they are like a trash

LFG

In the same way, the combat rebalancing done as part of the EoF release made all KoS encounters harder.

So if Princes and MO were gimped pre-EoF because they were easier before the rebalancing, who got WW1st on Princes and EoF after EoF came out?

The answer, in my opinion, is it doesn't matter.

In my opinion, claiming a WW1st under "special circumstances", which is being done here, would be like me claiming a WW1st for two boxing X2s in Temple of Scale using a defiler and SK. It's something that's really only meaningful to me, but does not have weight with the rest of the EQ2 community.

As I've said before, a significant reason that many people who use this board raid and play EQ2 is to compete for world wide firsts.

So I think a rule needs to be stated in this case, and for precedent.

I think the raiding community should agree on this rule, going forward:

The first guild to defeat an encounter after it is released by SoE (not during beta, but after public release of the expansion or new encounter), without using any exploit or tactic considered generally unacceptable (example: charming a named in another part of the zone EL style and using it to defeat an encounter based on the special abilities of that named doesn't count), has the UNQUALIFIED right to claim a World Wide First kill on that encounter, and no other guild has the right to later claim a world wide first on that same encounter.

Does anyone disagree with this? These games are all about ranking in the top end IMO, and we need a standard to live by in the future.

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Firza

you forgot the gnomes LFG, you forgot all about them

LFG

You are correct, please amend the above clause to read as follows:

"would be like me claiming a WW1st for two boxing X2s in Temple of Scale using a defiler and Gnome SK" (emphasis added).

Thank you for suggesting that correction.

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Pronoia

But, but, I want to feel special too

The saddest part for me as a Euro player is that what is possibly the top guild in Europe right now have provided plenty of ammunition for others to use in devaluing any future achievements. Anything they achieve from now on will always be responded to by someone quoting this debacle - whether it has any bearing on the accomplishment or not.

As many have pointed out, this mob was beaten weeks before, in only a slightly easier state. To argue, ad nauseum, that this kill is significant or in any meaningful is frankly pathetic.

To continue in this way is only harming a reputation Panda had only just begun to grow. I predict that the name Pandemonium will be dragged out and linked with any future claims that are seen as non-legit by the raid community. Is that the noteriety you sought?

Anyway, the villain here is broken raid content:
Tarinax - 5 months plus
Vyemm version (lost count)
Avatars? With so many for them to fuck up who the hell knows?

Pro.