Wow how big of a tool is Grimwell - Page 5

Valanthe · 02-21-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by arieste

correction is one thing, this whole "Community manager actually the antichrist because he hates me" drama is not necessary. As you say, a similar announcement got you into raiding. That's the idea. How many people you think will get into raiding when they see that the so called raiders are the sorts of people that can't even keep their dick in their pants long enough to say gratz to each other.

The announcement is not for you. You know why it isn't? Because you already knew about this. Because YOU already went to SD's site and saw the pics. The announcement is for those not in the know. If there was a mistake, there is a much better and constructive ways to correct it.

I keep hearing about raiders wanting more focus on the raiding part of the game, well it isn't going to happen if their attutide will be to destoy and turn into drama every single attempt to do that. Drama does not help. Ever.

Posting blatant lies is wrong. 'Nuff said. All the "drama" is warranted because it was a mistake that needs to be fixed ASAP. It's also a slap in the face to Second Dawn that they don't get the recognition for what THEY did.

Snark · 02-21-2007, 03:03 PM

this really isnt grimwells fault. pandemonium surely knew SD ww1 the mob, yet convinced community managers to make this post on their behalf. pretty bad if you ask me.

RadarX · 02-21-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by arieste

I keep hearing about raiders wanting more focus on the raiding part of the game...

And THAT right there is the ENTIRE point.

If you don't have the demand of the players (the majority, not the most vocal), then you don't have the devs time and ear. Just my experience.

Valanthe · 02-21-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Snark

this really isnt grimwells fault. pandemonium surely knew SD ww1 the mob, yet convinced community managers to make this post on their behalf. pretty bad if you ask me.

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/p...ic_id=3d348636

So yeah... This is crap.

Pandemonium, who DAMN WELL KNOWS they didn't WW1st the mob, contacted SOE. Avatar of Valor went down 3 WEEKS ago to SD/Disso/Pandemonium/CL in that order. Just because a mob was "fixed" because of SOE's coding mistakes doesn't take away from who truly killed the mob first.

Levlelfe · 02-21-2007, 03:26 PM

we know that we ww1st a real mobb working as entended.
But we know too that SD ww1st in his passed version.

Just if u wanna know who gave to grimwell the information, pm him, nobody in our guild as been in contact with him .. perhaps our french community representative.

Gage · 02-21-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tholar

well they killed a fixed Avatar as first Guild World Wide. Second Dawn killed a not fixed Avatar as world wide first. dunno what is better here...

No one claims WW1st's after a mob is changed. Disso WW1st'd Tarinax, you didn't see others claim WW1sts on him after his numerous changes.

Grimwell fucked up, period.

Pandemonium is laughable for playing along, but in the end its on Grimwell's conscious.

Talk about being out of touch with your player base.

Illuziun · 02-21-2007, 03:29 PM

If they completely reworked the encounter I could see this, but the fact is they didn't and it's pretty much the same difficulty as it was before.

I find it funny as hell though that he came out and said he checked the logs, which is obviously bull shit. But hey, I guess it's not really his fault he was just lied to by the Euro guild.

Cochy · 02-21-2007, 03:31 PM

Personally I hate these fucking interviews they aren't needed and generally they screw up on them anyway. SD WW 1sting Wuoshi ok because that was a big achievment at the time. But contacting SOE saying omg we WW 1sted the Avatar of Valor is just a cheap move and reinforces what a joke of a guild Pandemonium is. What will be next we are the first guild WW to kill Wuoshi on the second tuesday of the month after he was changed?

I still believe Avatar's are impossible to really claim a WW 1st on. For example I will use guild A and guild B. The broken version of the Avatar of Awesomeness spawns on guild A's server and they kill him. The next day Avatar of Awesomeness is changed and Guild B kills him, however Avatar of Awesomeness is then killed 2 months later when he finally spawns for guild B. How can you really claim a WW 1st with the way the Avatar's are set up?

Gage · 02-21-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RadarX

Should none of you guys get credit on the Pumpkinhead because they nerfed it a few weeks ago?

Hey dumbass no one killed Pumpkinhead prior to the changes, everyone killed it after the changes.

LFG · 02-21-2007, 03:32 PM

I'd like to say that I like and respect Grimwell, and since he is a little new to his job, it would be cool of people to just cut him a small amount of slack.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anyone in this post. What I am saying is think back to when you started your last job, did you need a couple months to get trained and get things right? Did you make a few mistakes before you became an expert in all the different situations involved in what you do?

Everything doesn't always have to come down to "God this guy is an idiot, can you believe he made this mistake." There is a difference between mistakes made one month into a job, and mistakes made two years into a job.

What Grimwell lacks in this situation is the context of how intense and miserable his job can be with the raiding community when SoE officially recognizes ANY raid guild to be world wide best at ANYTHING.

What Grimwell is not familiar with is the history of this issue within EQ2, and especially the nuclear fallout that has occured in past situations where SoE or a fan site has said that a particular guild was the first, best, or #1 at anything.

What people who are not hardcore daily raiders fail to realize is that THE MAIN REASON MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN TOP WORLDWIDE GUILDS PLAY IS TO GET WW1sts. That is a huge reason why many players in guilds such as Dissolution, Second Dawn, and NPU are attracted to and play in those guilds - THEY WANT TO COMPETE TO BE NUMBER ONE.

IT IS A TREMENDOUS MISTAKE FOR SOE OR ANY FAN SITE TO EVER APPEAR TO DECLARE THAT ANY OF THESE GUILDS ARE IN FACT NUMBER ONE, OR THAT THEY EVEN DID SOMETHING FIRST OR BETTER THAN ANY OTHER GUILD.

When SoE or any fan site comes out and says that any guild was first or best at anything, they will get a huge, intense, and immediate negative reaction from most of the other guilds.

Here's why:

Many will remember the Chel'Drak announcement made on EQ2players a while back, and the uproar that followed when that site seemed to say that the guild that defeated Chel'Drak first was the top raiding guild in EQ2. Many other guilds took strong exception to that for the reason that the guild who got the first kill was also rumored to have received advance information from devs in beta about how to defeat the encounter, so that what SoE had done was pick which guild it wanted to win the race by giving them advance information on the encounter, allowing them to practice, and then announcing them as winner when they won as intended.

Ok, before anyone reacts to what I just said, all I did was summarize the arguments on various boards across the Internet when Chel'Drak went down for the first time. I'm not taking any sides here or saying those things are true, and I do understand those issues are hotly contested still by both sides. I'm only pointing out the above as one example of why SOE SHOULD NEVER ANNOUNCE WORLD WIDE FIRSTS, OR EVEN SEEM TO SUGGEST THAT ANY RAID GUILD WAS ABLE TO DO ANYTHING BETTER THAN OR BEFORE ANY OTHER RAID GUILD. It is simply unwise to do this, you will be starting a firestorm almost as certainly as if you poured a gallon of gas in an abandoned wood building and then lit a match and threw it in. So why do it at all?

A different version of the above scenario was repeated after the first Woushi kill. I'm not sure whether anyone disputes that SD got the first honorable kill on Woushi, but the lesson from the firestorm following the SoE announcement about the Woushi kill should have been this question: "Is it a good idea to make announcements like this at all?" I think the answer is no, the raiding community prefers to fight about which guild is best between themselves without official intervention from SoE. Why even go there?

Even if you take out the claims about advantage based on beta participation and devs picking favorites and therefore winners, you still have the entire context argument. Ok, so a particular guild defeated a particular encounter first, so what? What about since the beginning of EQ2, shouldn't SoE then come out and pick a winner for the entire game also? Pick your timeline, and you can pick a winner. Rather than only announce a winner for occasional encounters, which guild is best in the history of EQ2? Which "won" each particular expansion to date? Is it fair, and biased favoritism, to announce one guild's most recent achievement after ignoring what many other guilds have done in total for the past 2 and a half years?

As another example of why this is just a really bad, bad idea, who can forget Ogaming's "Born to Raid" series from this past summer? Ogaming, now Allakhazam, came out with a series of feature articles, with it's lead article flatly declaring one guild as the best raid guild world wide. That site and Tamat especially will never recover from the loss of good will and reputation they suffered with most of the raiding community based on that misinformed, naiive and sloppy series, which appeared to be a ranking by Ogaming about which EQ2 raid guilds were best worldwide. Some of Ogaming's picks continue to be the subject of jokes around the Internet.

It's just not good business to even have the appearance of picking sides like this. In my strong opinion, it's much smarter to pick something different to write about that week, and avoid the urge to do a headline or main feature about any accomplishment by any raid guild.