Ishbu

There are 24 people in my guild. Yes 24 people who actually kill avatars or will ever kill one for months barring some other guild server transfering here. I want growth to spawn. 13 of these players are from qeynos. Do you have any idea the sheer volume of plat it would take to spawn growth from 13 people? It would take well over 2000 plat. Yes two thousand to spawn this mob ONE time. The drop that we want off growth is not guarenteed so your saying we should have to spend thousands of plat multiple times because that seems to be the only way we will ever see this mob currently.

Thats a load of shit. Dont tell me to roll alts either, I have more level 70 alts than you do I am sure, more than can fit on one account. I should NEVER have to level up a qeynos alligned character to 67 or 70 just to have content for my main. That is a terrible idea, period.

The way these are spawning needs to be changed, end of story.

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Arzoth

I don't think people are telling you to go roll alts.

If it's there, why not use it?

You say you don't want to spend 2000 plat on one avatar? That's definately an understatement. Perhaps gather together all the fabled loot you guys transmute anyway (as we transmute piles of it) and give it to someone who has that deity you can trust and have them dump it into Growth or whoever.

I know the system isn't perfect, I don't disagree with the fact that it's fucked. However, for right now, while it's fucked, bend the rules a bit and make it work for you. If the avatar doesn't spawn fuck it, transmute the shit, if it does... woo it worked.

Panthera

The system is flawed.

Speaking from the outside looking into this I can see the design looks unique on paper but fails in practice. Although I do have to chuckle at the irony, these guilds should not have to rely on what the rest of the server is doing to experience the content of the game.

Seriously, how many people would be willing to help out Dissolution and, more importantly, why should a guild that has worked this hard have to beg help off of other players?

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Arzoth

Who said anything about any other players?

What I'm talking about us using alts to pump faction.

My early morning math sucks (reason for edit).

Arangor

Don't you think it sounds silly to use a shit ton of alts to pump a diety's faction so that your main can raid one mob that will otherwise never spawn, or spawn once in a blue moon?

Sounds like alts hoarding Wolfsbane all over again tbh.

Arzoth

Okay, scroll up and read.

I agree, the system is totally fucked up. However, if you have the means to make the system work... why not fucking go out, and do it.

Sorry to snap at you, but I agree, the system is totally fucked, no, it shouldn't EVER have had to resort to alt farming deity quests in order to get your deity to spawn, but for FFS, if you can, why the hell not? I know for a fact almost all of Disso has a level 70 alt, and if not, Ishbu could give them 1 or 2 to do the quests on. If even 15-20 people did the faction quests for the deity to get the cloak 15k status x 15-20 people > what most mages dump into Flame every week.

You should be able to get an avatar to spawn with this math. Also, keep in mind other people on the server do actually probably use the deity you're trying to kill, so it's not like you're in it entirely alone.

Panthera

You respond to Ishbu with:

...then tell him to give his loot to other players to raise faction. Then you flip to:

So which is it? Pump thousands of plat into alts or give loot to other players and hope they help you spawn the right avatar? I appreciate that you are saying the system is flawed but your "solutions" are nothing of the sort. And if you really believe it is, try it.

What is the least worshiped deity on your server? If you can make him spawn for a minimum cost, do it and let us know what it took.

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Ishbu

Even then it would take thousands of plat or weeks upon weeks of raiding. And still we are just 13 people. There is only one person in my guild who actually follows marr. Yet is the only other avatar we can get besides flame. So clearly this is being mostly influenced by people who are not my guild. The idea we have to raid for weeks upon weeks and spend thousands of plat just to get to use one raid mob for the entire server to share is retarded.

Quit defending the way they work, because frankly, defending retarded idea's makes you retarded by association. Not one single guild who actually kills avatars regularily thinks this is a good system. Maybe its time to listen to the only people who are making use of this content.

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"So standing around doing nothing makes you a better player and for a more satisfying game experience you dumb fucking idiot?" - Me

Slamdar

The way the current system works is probably why no one (that I have heard of at least) has seen the Avatar of Fear yet. Who the hell actually goes that diety? It is retarded that certain servers don't see certain avatars simply because the majority of the population follows 1 to 2 avatars. They need to make it completely random and have nothing to do with what diety had the most favor for that week or whatever they are doing. I don't think they should all necessarily all be on seperate static timers, but at least something to the effect of every 7-9 days any of the 8 avatars can spawn rather then the favor system they have in place now.

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Ladred

Its a global system. There is flaws in it, but the design was to spawn, globally, what deity gets the most 'attention'. If you want other deities to spawn, then rally your server to help spawn it, or find a way to circumvent the system yourself by feeding favor to the system via alts. Either way its a global thing, just like the frogloks, just like the plague, just like the griffon towers, its intended to be accomplished with the help of more than a single 24 person guild.

I think the diversity of the system is great, and the implementation of the system was spot on. There are some hickups though, mainly being that only one avatar can be up, which really horks it for a lot of people. Also the fact that people think of all avatars as eight different contested instead of one single contested. If they knew before hand that it was only intended to be 'one mob', then they really should have put more contested in to the expansion, because that is just a bit weak.

So I agree there are problems, the system is flawed, but in its inception, the amount of energy you spend bitching and moaning you could spend working on a solution to get Tunare to spawn so you can fist fuck her and have her call you daddy.

Plz hurry up and put Karana in, I need a better deity. Tunare doesn't like me enough to spawn. =/

(notice how Karana wasn't a deity that you killed in planes of power, where are you big dadday i got some favor to give!!! )