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A confrontation between Ishbu and someone else, and Tater chimes in.

There's a first!

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Vizion

I don't understand how there is any debate about this, if we would have left valor up in CL2 it would have been killed by Shattered Moon im sure anyways, nothing to argue about, end of story

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Niber

I think the debate lies more in the loot [that shouldn't have been obtainable] than the killing.

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LFG

Oh ok. I thought the debate was to find new ways to argue about things that I thought were settled month(s) ago.

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Arzoth

I think in both cases both guilds did what was in the best interest for their guild.

Letting the opposition and competition for contested mobs get their hands on the contested, no matter the duration of time or zone # they are in. Letting any competition (even if they weren't there or knew of the 3 Princes at the time) get a hold of ANY contested mob is a flaw in thinking. The same goes for Avatar of Valor.

So back to Psykil's post. If it's up, we're going to kill it, end of story.

Ishbu stated he would have done the same, and it's obvious we would have too. If the loot goes back to the GMs for it being bugged or exploited, I'd invite the GMs to go look at every other server who has had multiple Avatars spawn in the past 2-3 days.

At this point, however, it's a "what-thefuck-ever". Really, Ishbu, you said you don't blame us for doing exactly what we did. Members of all end-game content guilds could go back and forth all day on what is and isn't an exploit based on their own situational and personal 'morality.' I put morality in quotation cause this is still a video game. If it's cheating to get more loot than you should have, then both guilds should have had loot taken from them, but we'll see in the end, cause I'm sure this isn't the last we'll hear of all of this.

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Ishbu

I dont think its an exploit at all and i dont condem your guild for doing it. I would have done the same and no, I dont think there is any problem with you guys have 2x the loot.

My whole thing is just how I was amused LFG finds that to be acceptable but getting one pair of shoulders from a mob isnt and his reasoning was that we were not supposed to be able to kill that mob. Well to me this is the same thing, clearly your not supposed to have a second avatar. He just wants to validate it because his morals didnt hold up and I pointed that out. Then his justification is that he said the princes thing was ok, wich is pretty irrelavent since he wasnt even in dissolution for that.

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What's amusing to me is your selective memory for trivia and detail regarding comments I've made long ago - it reinforces my belief that you still not been able to let go of your obsession regarding the Rumbler situation. Since you keep bringing it up, and finding new ways to interject it in unrelated situations.

Once again, regardless how you attempt to spin this, these facts remain:

I defended Disso against critics and publicly stated, month(s) before December 2006, regarding the dozens of times you killed the Princes when they instantly respawned after you WW1sted them.

I now am perfectly consistent saying that it is ok to kill shit that is up when I'm involved in it also. I said it was ok for you to kill instantly respawning encounters a dozen + times when it involved Princes at the beginning of KoS - and there is no difference between the logic involved with me saying that and also saying that it is ok to zone over to CL2 and kill the Valor spawn that's up there after we kill it in CL1 first.

You are merely trying to interject the perception of inconsistency into your argument by going back to the Mother of all Ishbuisms - The Rumber.

We are aren't talking about the Rumbler - the facts between the Rumbler being yelled because you wanted to get past it to WW1st EH are NOT parallel, I repeat, have nothing to do with and are not on point, with my guild wanting to kill Valor to get the loot from it, and to deprive another guild from that opportunity. The situations aren't even in the same universe of parallel logic - one involves an instance, the other is contested.

Get over it man, you'll be a happier person.

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Snark

noone is saying cl exploited. its obviously not intended however and should be fixed. there are similarities to the rumbler incident but its really not worth going into considering how much that's been beaten to death.

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Tater

glad to see its still bad for me to post in the same thread as ishbu. I mean what I said wasnt even directed towards any of his thoughts.

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