LFG

C'mon Ish, that's a cheap shot.

You know how long I haven't cared about this argument, despite how intensely you continue to pursue it with me, inserting it in every slight little crack you think you see?

It just makes you look desperate bud.

But you saying I can't defend myself? Hah.

Please summarize what you are currently ranting about again, lay this out for me so all I have to do is type out an answer please, and I'll eviscerate you. You may want to look that word up.

We'll see which one of us is stupid

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Ishbu

Ah theres the classic reply, I dont care so much im going to make 10 posts about to show how much I dont care! Yeah we all beleive you dont care lfg that this act just proved how your morals just dont hold up. Yes, it makes me look desperate........wait desperate for what lfg? All Im doing is laughing at you. Thats all Ive done here, laugh at you. Cop out anyway you want, the fact is your morals didnt hold up and im laughing because anyone with any common sense can see that and realize how full of shit you really were month ago.

And gaige, clearly ive hurt your feeligns otherwise you wouldnt be here commenting on something that had nothing to do with you. The only reason you name ever entered this is because LFG begged for you to come in and help him. Oh btw if your actively playing agian I guess that makes me right and you wrong on how this is just a better game than vangard.

And just so LFG doesnt forget, still laughing at you. In fact as I typed this, I have a grin on my face because Im actually laughing out loud a bit.

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LFG

If you weren't afraid of me publicly humiliating you, you would have answered the simple question I asked you above.

I'm sick of your shit. I've treated you respectfully, but now I believe I'm wasting my time. So if you want to make this personal, let's do that.

Just summarize whatever retarded nonsense you typed above that involves an issue, a claim, or a question regarding me. What specific thing would you like to argue about?

Let me put this more simply. Let's go at it. You've accused me above of being stupid, unable to fight my own battles, and other things. Let's see if that's true or not, or whether those things are actually true about you.

Either fight like a man, or run away like a pussy as you've done in the past and come up with a new excuse as to why I'm treating you unfairly so you won't post here.

I'm waiting. It's your choice - Give me a topic, question or claim that I can respond to, continue arguing in circles like a pussy, or shut the fuck up.

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LFG

EQ2 is a better game than Vanguard? Someone call the Mensa society, we have a new member!

Of course it is better than that bug ridden piece of shit. You really are stupid, aren't you. That is the best you can do? That's your best shot? I'd expect more of a challenge from a retarded person or child.

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Mateo

Really i could care less but i do see ishbus point. I mean you threw a hissy fit over yelling a fukin broken mob but are ok with killing an avatar from what ive heard 4 times in 2 days. Now i personally see nothign wrong with it but from you who is always talking about morals and such wtf is that shit. Make up your mind.

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Mateo 80 Zerker
Leader of Saints of Norrath

LFG

Yes, I killed an Avatar 4 times in 2 days. It was up. We killed it straight up when it spawned on time. And then the next day, after a patch that reset the avatar timers, we did the same thing again.

What would you have done? You really can't answer that, because you haven't killed an avatar, have you? So you aren't in my shoes.

But this is the issue: From the beginning of time, I've never, one time, claimed it improper to kill mobs in multiple instances.

On Blackburrow, I killed Terrorantula in multiple instances on numerous occasions. The avatars I killed on Kith was the exact same situation. Different mobs, different expansion, but exact same situation.

So tell me how I'm being inconsistent with ANYTHING I've ever said. You can't. Your problem is that you can't grasp the basics of this situation, and you somehow believe it is "wrong" to kill an avatar twice on the same day. Well, I disagree with that. I don't believe it's wrong.

If SoE didn't want us to do that, they would have prevented that from happening by now. But they haven't. So if the mobs are up, we will kill them.

And that has zero to do with yelling a mob because you can't kill it and want to get past it. The two things have no relation whatsovever.

The dev who designed the Rumbler encounter came here and said that yelling the Rumbler was an exploit, although a relatively unimportant one. But he defined it as an exploit nonetheless.

No dev has ever said that killing the same mob in two different instances on the same day is an exploit. SoE continues to allow this to happen, which means it's allowed, especially since this issue has been in game for such a long time.

So don't come here with an attitude toward me and say I'm being inconsistent without at least understanding the issues to begin with.

Are you really telling me you don't understand the difference between yelling a mob in a private instance so you can continue progressing in zone, and killing two different contested mobs that spawned based on unmanipulated game mechanics?

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I'm glad I'm not dumb then.

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Mateo

Your right LFG i havent killed a avatar ive actually killed 4 thank you very much. And im not saying i wouldnt of done the same thing of cours ei would of done the same thing, but im not the one always saying how its wrong to do this and that. Like i said i could care less but either be moral or not, because you cant be both.

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Mateo 80 Zerker
Leader of Saints of Norrath

LFG

Ok, I apologize for saying you havent killed an Avatar then, if I was wrong about that.

But, as I explained over the course of hundreds of pages after The Rumbler incident, I'm no longer interested in arguing about whether "questionable" exploits are allowed or not.

These types of things are wrong - everyone should know these things are either exploits or violate the rules of EQ2:

1. Botting by using 3rd party software to automate your character, either for adventure leveling, farming, or tradeskills, so your character is being "played" while you are away from the keyboard.

2. Buying or selling coin or accounts outside of the Station Exchange system (except if you work for IGE, then it is apparently no longer wrong to do these things if SoE hires you after you do them).

3. Duping coin or items.

4. Improperly manipulating game mechanics to beat an encounter or get loot from it.

Other than that, my position is that it's SoE's responsibility to produce a game that doesn't have the type of problems that require an advanced degree in Philosophy to determine whether or not doing something in game would be an exploit.

It is Sunday morning, and perhaps I've forgotten something in the 4 item list I just typed out above, but I don't think so, and those are the major exploits/no-nos.

After all the bullshit with The Rumbler, I've said numerous times that technical exploits such as the Rumbler aren't worth arguing about. I'm no longer interested in arguing about whether people should do an encounter if it is bugged and perhaps easier than normal. Problems like that only exist because SoE didn't do it's job, and therefore put players in a position where we are arguing about things we should never have had to deal with in the first place.

So if it's possible to do in game and doesn't involve one of the four items I listed above, I have no opinion on whether it is an exploit or not if someone else does it.

And, you have not seen me type one word to the contrary since December. I really don't give a shit what other people do in game except for those four bad things I specified above, since any retard should know those things are cheating and not allowed.

I also have repeatedly stated since the Rumbler that I admitted exploiting in that case, therefore I had no business calling other people out on similar questionable exploits in the future.

So, just like you telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I said you've never killed an avatar, you really shouldn't comment on things when you don't know what you are talking about because you obviously only skim or read very old threads. I haven't said anything like what you are talking about in MONTHS.

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Pinski

So basically you'll do technical exploits like kill Avatars in a 2nd instance. Gotcha LFG. Thanks for clearing it all up. I mean it's obvious you didn't read what I posted, where a fucking GM death-touched an avatar in a 2nd instance to prevent a guild from killing it.

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