RadarX

I gave my opinion, and honestly I was a little surprised I could generate that much hate, but it was extremely entertaining. If any of the responses I saw (Snarks being the exception) took into account the entire player base I wouldn't have anything to say.

I don't even think it was the fact *I* disagreed, I think it was that anyone disagreed. The saddest aspect was most of them glanced over me saying I wasn't satisfied with the way the Avatars currently spawn, but I'm not sure they should be on a timer.

Illuminator

Hate is another game completely. What came your way is more like me turning off the lights when I'm the last person to leave a room. A routine action meant to save energy down the road.

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Bow down before the one you serve. You're going to get what you deserve.

Laodaron

Man you don't stop, huh? Your vote was for they are fine the way they are. The other option was time or SOMETHING ELSE. You just spit shit out of both sides of your mouth to argue for the sake of something to do. I used to think that your opinion was worth something, but you are becoming more and more of an SOE ass kisser, and its disgusting.

Everyone here is very pleased with the new movement towards getting this game back in shape. No one is against any other playstyle. You are the only person that I can think of that is in complete disregard to someone else's playstyle, and its more and more evident everytime you post.

Your vote proves completely opposite of what you are saying in this thread alone. Pick a side and stay there, don't just try to trip people up in the middle by swapping sides back and forth so you can get some sort of satisfaction from it.

Choices :
They should split their timers or come up with some other solution to make them spawn faster

They should leave them as they are

See the bold? That's what you are claiming to believe, however you vote differently and argue differently. The fact is, you believe just like most other people on the official boards that your style is the way everyone should, and playing in your playstyle, there's PLENTY of contesteds. However, here, most people believe that EVERYONE should have a plethora of content, not just casual playing.

Like I pointed out before, there is :
Solo - 24/7 content.
Group - 24/7 content.
Tradeskill - 24/7 content.
Questers - 24/7 content (unless they do them all, which afaik hasn't ever happened)
and last but not least -
Raiders - 5-8hrs/3-5days

Now, since I'm assuming you can do math, I'd believe that you can see the mathematical differences here. All anyone here is asking for a more evenly dispersed number. But feel free to try and flame, or argue, or just run your mouth with SOE's shit.

RadarX

You are one of the few people around here that actually talks more than I do so I find the "not stopping" comment pretty funny.

I don't think they should be spawning faster (although I'll agree 11 days may be a little long) so why would I choose that? I'm hesitant to agree they should be on a timer, and I simply pointed out it appeared to me that SOE intended for these to be rare spawns not regular content. That is why I choose option #2, so I'm sorry if you feel I'm jumping sides. I not once expressed total satisfaction with how the Avatars work.

Raina

it has been my experience that whenever the raiding community voices oppinions about the need for more content or better content for them that inevitably someone not unlike yourself appears. Someone who feels they have to keep the raiders in check or else they would somehow force SOE to ignore the rest of the playerbase while they get all the attention.

The avatars were an attempt to involve the entire playerbase in an event that had an impact on the server as a whole. The problem is as with anything that involves the entire playerbase is that the end result inevitably has the raiders in mind. A good example would be the Spire live event for KoS. It took a lot of work to build those spires and then when it was done, instead of everyone who put in the effort to help being rewarded, it was the raiding guild who waited until just before it was completed to form up and be the one to kill the dragon. Oftentimes many of the members of that raid had nothing to do with actually helping build the thing. The avatars are no different, favor generated by the entire playerbase is used to spawn an encounter that only a relatively few individuals will ever be able to fully realize the benefits from it.

They are better off just seperating the avatars from the impact of the entire server because regardless of the servers involvment the raiders are the only people who are going to be able to take full advantage and the rest of the server who "helped" in their appearance probably has no idea they even helped. Get rid of the favor mechanic or set it up in a way that the raiding community can kill these mobs without them being tied to favor. I kinda like the idea of having two seperate mobs, one is an NPC that players can visit if they want his buffs and the other killable version must somehow be challenged by the warriors wishing to reap the glory of defeating a manifistation of the gods.

Laodaron

Look, that's what you can bring up on me? That I talk more than you? See, you keep spinning. You aren't discussing the matter at hand. You voted in a public vote where you stand. They are perfect the way they are. Then instead of trying to rationalize it, you just start spewing about how they are intended to work, and then throw in some asskissing terms, and that's that. Point is, you are blatantly anti-harcore. Casual gamers have an asston more content than hardcore raiders do. You nor anyone else can argue that. That is the point here, and Avatar spawns need to be revamped. Just because you are ok with the way things are doesn't mean everyone else is, nor does it make you right.

You see, the people who want something more, we are being helpful, offering ideas, saying what it is we like and don't like. Its called feedback. The people who do not agree with that playstyle ALWAYS jump in to try and flame those who want more. Like getting attention on the avatars will take away from your casual experience.

Not one person would ask for less for anyone else. Why are you? No one is asking to take attention away from anyone else, or any other classification of player, so why do you?

Answer if you want, or spin a little more shit, and try and flame. It doesn't matter. Your opinion on raiding is already pretty well known.

RadarX

I'm not discussing the matter at hand? This is your second reply and both of the posts have been 90% about me. Why the hell do you care so much about what I think anyway? I explained why I voted the way I did...did you even read it?

Where the hell did I say I was casual playstyle again? Seriously...a book. Just while you are on the can or at lunch.

I provided feedback as well, you just don't like what I had to say. There was ONE person in this entire thread of intellectual giants who actually debated what I was saying, not how I play.

It's really funny how every one of these threads becomes the tired old raider vs non-raider debate where we go back and forth. You tell me you don't have as much content, and I tell you not as many players utilize it. Can we skip that this time around please?

Raina

how would more players utilizing it make any difference? It would just be more people eventually saying there wasnt enough content. If its there and no one uses it thats their problem. Just because people choose not to experience the game to its fullest doesn't mean those of us that do shouldn't have enough content to satisfy us. That is why people are dissatisfied with the avatars, there is potential there for a lot more content just by making the spawn more frequently or having more of the up at a time. Some of us may never see some of the avatars because they have no worshippers, which is content we will never see leaving even less to do.

Laodaron

Ok, what is there to debate?

1. There is NOT enough raid content.
2. There is enough heroic, solo, tradeskill, or questing content to keep someone busy 24/7
3. No one is asking anyone to be given less. What everyone is asking for is for all playstyles to have at LEAST equal amounts of game content.
4. There are more than enough people killing mobs and clearing all of the raid instances every week. Those players who play to raid therefore are given 3 or 4 days of absolutely nothing to do.

If you can't talk about the subject at hand, just don't reply. I'd honestly prefer for you to at least attempt to talk about he subject than about my posts.

I'm just tired of people who are satisfied with their experience trying to stop people who are trying to get a full experience from the same game. Just because you get enough raiding in EQ2 (otherwise you wouldn't say there's enough) doesn't mean everyone else thinks so.

And I tell you that you are completely wrong.

Arangor

Actually it's not really funny, it's quite annoying. But either way, the point is Radar, everybody here realizes raiding is only a small part of the entire game. That doesn't mean, however, that it should not be improved to cater to the needs of the people for whom it is made. What's so wrong about somebody saying, "This isn't working, it should be this way, or it should be changed to better suit our wants and wishes." After all it is US that play the raiding game, so what does us being whatever percent of the population have anything to do with the fact that there is a system in the game that does not function as well as it did on paper?

That's one thing I don't think you've realized yet, or have chosen to ignore. You can tell people until the end of time that raiding is not SOE's main concern, but that's not going to deter us from requesting improved gameplay, nor should it.

There have been ample changes made recently that have made this game a lot better. Why do you think SOE changed lag in raid zones to make gameplay more enjoyable? Why does Archonix keep bringing the level of loot up to par? The reason is, we, the raiding community have a voice whether you or anybody likes it or not, and to some degree it is listened to. The only reason this thread exists is to make the game better, not to bring up a casual vs. hardcore comment. You should know by know if it is your wish to avoid that tired argument, to stop interjecting with comments about how little raiding means to the game.

That's my bit.