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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by Claria
If I remember correctly.... the reason they changed that so zones didnt instance, was to prevent contesteds being killed multiple times per spawn.
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Rather than try and remember what you think you read 4 months ago, why not first read what was written yesterday and today, since that will save you and me a whole lot of typing.
http://www.eq2flames.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=289
Thank you
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04-15-2007, 07:06 PM
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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by Artwat
LFG, you can't say that they could have just changed it globally just as easy. You have no idea how the code is set up.
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You are absolutely correct. I have no idea how the code is set up. They've never commented on that. In the absence of any dev comments on this issue, I'm entitled to presume that I can kill any mobs that are up in game using any tactics that don't exploit game mechanics.
It is not our job to figure out what they intended, I'm sick of playing this game as if it's a graduate critical reasoning seminar.
In the future, I'm killing what is up and available to kill. If they don't want me to kill that, they need to tell me or make it so it doesn't spawn in the first place.
It is bullshit that we are put in this same situation over and over again. We should kill what is up to kill, not spend our recreational time worrying about whether they intended for us to kill it or not.
I don't subscribe to this game to play mind games and second guess developers. I'm a simple person who just wants to kill shit, worrying about this crap is not my responsibility.
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04-15-2007, 07:06 PM
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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by LFG
Clearly, SoE has no problem with us doing this, if they didn't want us to do it, they would have prevented it from happening in more zones than just Mystic Lake. 
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They did prevent it in more zones. In DoF when the server mergers happened people begged for an isntance of PoF and they said they werent going to because then you could get multiple contested barakah/siyamak and it was a mistake that terrorantula was able to do that.
The fact is, the developers do not want you getting multiple contested in seperate instances. Your friend gaige as said that before even. No matter what you say, the it is uninteded for you to be able to get that, period.
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04-15-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by LFG
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If I post today that we never yelled the rumbler does that change that i said we did months ago?
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04-15-2007, 07:16 PM
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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by LFG
Clearly, SoE has no problem with us doing this, if they didn't want us to do it, they would have prevented it from happening in more zones than just Mystic Lake. 
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First I am going to say I think its a bug its not intended I would have no problem with killing both. But that statement is so far beyond incorrect, this happened a few days ago thats like saying the bug where you could cast self buffs and ability's on other players was intended until devs changed it. Or being able to charm epic mobs then implode them was intended for the few days that it was in game.
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04-15-2007, 07:16 PM
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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by Ishbu
If I post today that we never yelled the rumbler does that change that i said we did months ago?
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No, you can't rewrite history or change a fact that took place four months ago.
You can change your opinion about those facts at a future point in time, however, and adopt entirely new strategies for dealing with similar situations in the future. That's simply changing your mind or opinion.
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04-15-2007, 07:22 PM
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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by Ishbu
They did prevent it in more zones. In DoF when the server mergers happened people begged for an isntance of PoF and they said they werent going to because then you could get multiple contested barakah/siyamak and it was a mistake that terrorantula was able to do that.
The fact is, the developers do not want you getting multiple contested in seperate instances. Your friend gaige as said that before even. No matter what you say, the it is uninteded for you to be able to get that, period.
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What's wierd to me Ishbu is that you call me dumb, yet you and I are saying people should do the exact same thing.
You said you would kill two avatars if they were up at the same time naturally, as happened in the case of CL.
I'm saying I did, and will continue to do the same thing, whenever possible.
So why are we still discussing this? My point is, this isn't our job to figure this out. It is their job. If they aren't going to make this work properly, they can't expect me to call Leonard Nimoy before killing every raid mob and try to get a Vulcan Mind Lock going so I know exactly what they are thinking.
BTW, you can still get multiples on Terrorantula to this day, which is a clear indication that remains a long term, intended feature of this game. 
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04-15-2007, 07:25 PM
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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by razieh
First I am going to say I think its a bug its not intended I would have no problem with killing both. But that statement is so far beyond incorrect, this happened a few days ago thats like saying the bug where you could cast self buffs and ability's on other players was intended until devs changed it. Or being able to charm epic mobs then implode them was intended for the few days that it was in game.
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No, timing zoning with temporary buffs to bug those buffs so they stay up indefinitely is on the otherside of the exploit universe from going into a zone, seeing a raid mob up, and then slaying it.
The two examples are on such polar extremes, they don't even exist in the same plane of reality.
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04-15-2007, 07:26 PM
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Re: Avatars and 2nd Instances
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Originally Posted by LFG
What's wierd to me Ishbu is that you call me dumb, yet you and I are saying people should do the exact same thing.
You said you would kill two avatars if they were up at the same time naturally, as happened in the case of CL.
I'm saying I did, and will continue to do the same thing, whenever possible.
So why are we still discussing this? My point is, this isn't our job to figure this out. It is their job. If they aren't going to make this work properly, they can't expect me to call Leonard Nimoy before killing every raid mob and try to get a Vulcan Mind Lock going so I know exactly what they are thinking.
BTW, you can still get multiples on Terrorantula to this day, which is a clear indication that remains a long term, intended feature of this game. 
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You're also failing to realize that Terrorantula in SS1 and SS2 are on different spawn timers. Which means you failed at understanding the discussion here. If a mob is on 1 spawn timer, it should not be spawning in 2 instances. Now if that mob has a different spawn timer because of 2 instances, that's fine. But the fact is, it's obviously not on a different spawn timer, because it would be possible to see an Avatar up in CL2 but not in CL1. However, this has never happened, and will never happen because of the fact that there is 1 spawn timer.
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