Artwat

Manipulating Game Mechanics = Creating a 2nd instance of CL (You cant tell me you NORMALLY have 2 instances of CL) to get 2 shots at an avatar = Check.

Produce Second Copy = You get double the loot, yes not the same exact loot, but your basically reproducing the loot drop itself = check.

Your not duping the loot exactly, but the principle is the same. Your basically duping avatars and not coin.

Pinski

Based on how long it takes to form and kill an Avatar(2 hours but considering people work as well, we'll drop off the 8am-5pm eastern wednesday/thursday/friday time period as well), and the fact that the post was at 1:49pm Eastern today. We'll go with servers came up at 11am eastern on wednesday. So that's 99 hours between servers up. Dropping off the 8am-5pm eastern 3-day period gives 27 hours off, so 72 hours, drop 14 hours off for 7 avatars of forming up and killing, which is 58 hours. Which means it's about 8 and a half hours between avatars. I'm not getting defensive, I'm just looking at what Psykil posted and went with the assumption that it obviously meant 6-7 hours between spawns of avatars else you aren't going to get that many and kill them without it being basically that short.

Just in case you didn't believe that he posted about it.

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Raina

How many guilds can kill an avatar world wide? 15? 20 at the most? And each avatar has only one unique item? If they are spawning like this how long until you guys are going to start transmuting and selling the rights for avatar loot?

While I dont believe having more than one Avatar up at a time is intended, I would certainly kill them both given the opportunity. CS needs to make a stand on this quick because it is wholly unfair to some guilds that GMs are despawning their mobs, while other guilds are allowed to kill them. Either we can kill them or not, that is how it should be.

SOE has a huge problem with putting things in game without fully knowing what might arrise and so we constantly are forced to examine the ethics of some action because at one point it seems "intended" and then some time down the road it gets changed. Rumbler was unkillable and while yelling it despawn it may not be the right thing to do, it is unfair for a guild to have to halt their zone progression because SOE cant make their encounters right.

This situation is exactly like Matron imo, two of the same encounter being on the same timer is obviously not intended by virtue of SOEs handling of the Matron. Until SOE changes it, I say kill them, at most your going to lose the loot from those kills, and given that so few guilds can kill them anyway, it is not like you wont have plenty of opportunity to get more down the road. Lots of time left till new content, not that much loot to be gotten out of avatars if they get killed like this.

LFG

2nd instance of CL = system working as intended when more than 100 people, including onlookers and 3 guilds, enter CL. Not manipulation, that's au natural.

Second copy = when you kill the mob straight up and it drops loot, that cannot possibly be duplication in any rational mind!

The two things are completely dissimilar!

Next!

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Ballads

Fuck all these dam post to read. Don't you people know the Sopranos is on.

Artwat

Just like /yell was intended so you could avoid/run away from/kill shit w/o loot ala Rumbler?

Vizion

Wow. . . . just wow

Were you on Kithicor when the 2nd instance was opened either time? Were you there watching 3 guilds pulling, each ending up in both instances at one time? You don't seem to have any clue about what you are talking about or what happened. Instead of just trying to weave around what actually happened and coming up with this fictional bullshit, why don't you actually read about what happened?

K, Artwat, from now on, just because you asked, we will let other guilds get avatars on our server because we just happen to have 3 or more raiding guilds show up to fill CL1 and create CL2.

In fact, since two instances were open, what if CL1 was the "duplicated" zone! So lets just leave both up, because its apparently something completely against the mechanics of the game to have 2 instances of a zone which can be easily overfilled.

Be realistic dude, if CL2 opens, you aren't going to let guild b,c and d go work on it and get a strat down, or kill it. You are going to zone in and take it down

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razieh

First of all no ones arguing OMG I would never do this you are horrible! They are arguing over the fact whether havening avatar of valor in both CL1 & CL2 and being able to spawn valor in CL2 go back to one (closing CL2) then open CL2 again and essentially farm avatar of valor.

Second CL1 being the dupe zone? are you retarded that is impossible its simple mathematics 1 comes before 2 and I believe when you zone from two to one it says COMMONLANDS OR COMMONLANDS 2 clearly stateming which is the second aka duped zone.

You seem really upset calm down, No one is questioning CL's actions rather debating if it is intended or not.

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Vizion

Nah, not upset at all, I was just making sure he understood what was being questioned

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Artwat

Instead of getting all pissy, fucking read what the fuck I wrote. I said I'd do the same damn thing and kill both if it was me, since if I didn't do it, someone else would. I do think it is not intended and from your reaction you know it wasnt intended as well, but you don't want to admit it.