Viswin & Cheeron - timing to stun/stifle - Page 3

Narkle · 06-26-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Judist

Lmao. AOE immunity? So let them heal for 1milion HP then burn down? Think not.

Actually I think yes....We AE immuned the first AE/heal and let it heal to 25% and burned it to zero before the next AE went off for MONTHS...Just save all your big shit for that end burn (tides,lifeburns,decaps,HTs etc)....and Cheroon does a gay mini heal sometimes right before the big heal...so try to wait till he does that then burn him down

Laodaron · 06-26-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Khalan

except people can still mess up immunity like they can mess up timers. Whereas the former has a chance for 4 mess ups the later only has a chance for 1.

But you're missing the fact that if 1 messes up of the former, only 6 people get hit. If 1 messes up on the latter, the raid wipes. It doesn't really matter which is better. I personally think that for a guild that is moving through these zones, Stun/Stifle is the only real option (and AE immunties get cast, for no reason other than backup) But the OP said that STUN/STIFLE WASN'T WORKING. The option I gave was another option.

Angelys · 06-26-2007, 03:06 PM

Stun / Stifle is a very viable tactic on Viswin. And on Cheroon, well, just don't get your stun reflected back at you if you're the only chanter lol.

Tion · 06-26-2007, 03:20 PM

Also, as I didn't see anyone state it earlier, they both have an aoe they use the whole fight that heals the mob some, like 3-4% hp, I would suggest stopping all dps on named around 15%, wait for the aoe that heals, and then after that start attacking and prepare for the 10% heal script. This way, you won't get that 3-4% hp heal during your burn.

Pinski · 06-26-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

But you're missing the fact that if 1 messes up of the former, only 6 people get hit. If 1 messes up on the latter, the raid wipes. It doesn't really matter which is better. I personally think that for a guild that is moving through these zones, Stun/Stifle is the only real option (and AE immunties get cast, for no reason other than backup) But the OP said that STUN/STIFLE WASN'T WORKING. The option I gave was another option.

AE Avoid means if you fuck up you're waiting another 10 minutes(for bards) to kill the mob again, whereas stun/stifle shit you just make sure people don't act stupid and mess up the timers.

Skurry · 06-26-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Skurry

Try to time the other AoE with the little heal so it doesn't occur in the "burning phase".

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Originally Posted by Tion

Also, as I didn't see anyone state it earlier, they both have an aoe they use the whole fight that heals the mob some, like 3-4% hp, I would suggest stopping all dps on named around 15%, wait for the aoe that heals, and then after that start attacking and prepare for the 10% heal script. This way, you won't get that 3-4% hp heal during your burn.

tracheaspider · 06-26-2007, 04:19 PM

Stun/stifle works fine once you have the timing down. For those of us in guilds who can't manage even a 25k burn, it's the only viable tactic. Even a coercer who plays as a buffbot and sucks doing that can manage the stuns when coached. (We start stun at 3-4 seconds after emote and chain it with the stifle, though I'm not sure how much use the stifle is since they can both cast through stifle if they want.)

If there's a risk the stun tactic will fail, be sure to have AE avoids in each group and leash the mobs. Even with chancy stuns, you shouldn't be wiping to these guys if you can live long enough on fail to get them to reset.

And yeah, like others mentioned, make sure their peroidic mini-heals aren't timed to come up in the middle of the burn.

Laodaron · 06-26-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

AE Avoid means if you fuck up you're waiting another 10 minutes(for bards) to kill the mob again, whereas stun/stifle shit you just make sure people don't act stupid and mess up the timers.

Come on, and read what you quoted at least. I said that Stun/Stifle is the best option. For the OPs raid, its not, because it isn't working. The only reason I even mentioned the AE avoid was because the OP was asking a question about a possibly different tactic and I was answering it.

Also, if someone fucked up, that means that the AE avoids didn't go off, which means they don't have 10 minutes of waiting, not that it matters.

Ironhide · 06-26-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tion

Also, as I didn't see anyone state it earlier, they both have an aoe they use the whole fight that heals the mob some, like 3-4% hp, I would suggest stopping all dps on named around 15%, wait for the aoe that heals, and then after that start attacking and prepare for the 10% heal script. This way, you won't get that 3-4% hp heal during your burn.

Bingo.

Wait, Heal, Burn - move on.

Judist · 06-26-2007, 05:24 PM

I'm sure in time their chanter will get the hang of it and this will be a moot post. If they cant figure the stun/stifle chain then they'll need ~38k raidwide DPS sustained for 30seconds to burn 1.2mil HP before the next AOE.

If they can sustain 38k for 30s then go for it, tho its a tall order for many guilds.