Viswin & Cheeron - timing to stun/stifle - Page 6

Pinski · 06-27-2007, 06:15 PM

I'm sorry gungo, but a bit over a minute means like 60-70s. Not half a minute over a minute. Shit that'd be like saying oh we killed soso mob in just over 3 minutes, when it really took 3 and a half minutes. Don't be retarded. All you do is make yourself a huge laughing stock with your comments.

I just want to say this, our last kill of Cheroon and Viswin they had 4.7 million HP each. Now let's check this out with 32k raid dps what do we get in terms of length of a fight. Hrm, 147 seconds. Wait a second, that's almost 2 and a half minutes. Congrats gungo.

By the way, under 2 minutes is 39.2k raid dps, completely feasable if using 2 stakes. Either way, you're full of shit with your 32k raid dps killing a 4.7 million hp mob with 90s when that's impossible.

Judist · 06-27-2007, 06:21 PM

5 million HP named:

1min fight (60 seconds) needs 83k raidwide dps
1m30sec fight (90 seconds) needs 55k raidwide dps
2mins fight (120 seconds) needs 41k raidwide dps
2m30s fight (150 seconds) needs 33k raidwide dps

Your ~1m30s kill come from letting this mob do its spiritual healing after the emote? A kill that fast with 32k sustained raidwide DPS is only possible if you stun/stifle and joust or avoid atleast one of his several small AOE's.

Icefire · 06-27-2007, 06:27 PM

Since I don't think anyone's really given an exact time yet, I'll tell you what I do to negate the AE every time. Wait til mob emotes (at 10%), wait about 1 more second, then:

Interrupt, Stun, Interrupt, Stifle, Interrupt. All chaincasted (by agi specced Illu) and we manage it every time with ~22k raid DPS, can't see why it wouldn't work for you

Aandien · 06-28-2007, 01:02 AM

To the OP:

The scripted ae ability completes casting at 6 seconds after the emote.
The emote happens at 10.5% health.

The cast starts at 5 seconds after the emote (1 second cast time).

If you land a stifle between the 5th and 6th second, then it will reset his timer and he will be unable to cast it again for 30 seconds.

For the first named, make sure you dispel the damage shield. This way, you can make use of gut roar (from a zerk) and / or ae avoids as backup methods to a stun/stifle.

For the second named, since he also activates a reflect shield at 10.5% -- it's entirely possible to just get unlucky and still wipe on occasion.

The best method is either gut roar or stun/stifle to prevent him from casting and kill him before he is able to cast it the first time. Even though ae avoids may get you through one ae, it still does a power drain on everyone and still heals him for 1mil (on the first time) -- so its much harder to kill him once he starts his 30 second cast cycle on that ae.

Ideally you should save your ae avoids for the second cast of his ae (36 seconds after the first emote) and use gut roar to counter the first (he'll heal, but he will do no power drain nor damage to anyone in the raid). That way, if you have low dps, you can actually take about 60 seconds to kill him from that point. Doing it that way will allow you to still kill these mobs with significantly less than a full raid force.

gungo · 06-28-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

I'm sorry gungo, but a bit over a minute means like 60-70s. Not half a minute over a minute. Shit that'd be like saying oh we killed soso mob in just over 3 minutes, when it really took 3 and a half minutes. Don't be retarded. All you do is make yourself a huge laughing stock with your comments.

I just want to say this, our last kill of Cheroon and Viswin they had 4.7 million HP each. Now let's check this out with 32k raid dps what do we get in terms of length of a fight. Hrm, 147 seconds. Wait a second, that's almost 2 and a half minutes. Congrats gungo.

By the way, under 2 minutes is 39.2k raid dps, completely feasable if using 2 stakes. Either way, you're full of shit with your 32k raid dps killing a 4.7 million hp mob with 90s when that's impossible.

If it makes you feel better about yourself you can beleive whatever you like. It really doesn't bother me. Fact is it was done that way. If you don't want to beleive that hey i don't care.

Pinski · 06-28-2007, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gungo

If it makes you feel better about yourself you can beleive whatever you like. It really doesn't bother me. Fact is it was done that way. If you don't want to beleive that hey i don't care.

No, it's not that I don't want to believe it, it's that it's mechanically impossible. Really gungo, you should look at it again and notice the numbers. If you don't want to look at them then you're a fucking retard or crushbone still has the gimp IS mobs that weren't beefed up.