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    Default What do you think of the new raid content?

    I'm really curious what people think of the Skyshrine raid content, more from the view of more casual guilds. What about the contesteds (including x2)

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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    Haven't done it yet. I'm in a guild that raids when we have the people, and have to even pug some. I think we were talking about doing Underdepths soon.

    But what about YOU?

    You, Slippery. You make state of the game posts on the official forums, state of raiding....what's YOUR opinion on this tier, compared to Drunder, or even PoW?

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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    I think its a laughable mess, honestly. This is supposed to keep us entertained for how long?
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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    Simple Answer:

    Quit 5 day a week raiding

    Went back to 3 days.


    Complex answer:

    I honestly don't think there is enough content to keep 5 day week guilds busy and happy. The fact that guilds are likely to have to also back farm old zones for raid shards also annoyed me lots. For top end guilds, all you really have now to work on is Sevelak (Which I suspect won't take that long to kill), and that zone is done, Underdepths where you either cockblock yourself on a named each time, while killing EM nameds consistently week in week out. All that really leaves is then Plane of Wank. All that trash, for armor that isn't that great any more, and then nameds which are either broken, or require stupid amounts of crit chance.
    Realistically, you have 5 mobs in Skyshrine left to kill, and 4 or so in PoW. Contested as well if anyone still gives a shit about them. Grats on 10 mobs for the next god knows how long.

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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    I really like the new raid content. Some random thoughts:

    A) The artwork is fantastic.
    B) After only a week or so of raiding, I feel like the content is a really nice in-between for guilds that can do EM Kael and Drunder content and some HM content, but struggled to advance past a certain point. The new content provides 11 new raid MOBs that middle-of-the-roaders can now do, giving them the gear to advance even more.
    C) Some of the mechanics are fun! The contested X2 in Covenant District is easy, but it's hilarious what happens during the fight! The Balor fight is fun AND frustrating. The contested hive queen thingie is pretty wild, I thought.
    D) Did I mention the beautiful artwork?
    E) I guess I'm in the minority, but I like that the new content keeps the Drunder content relevant. For middle of the road guilds, the progression is: EM Kael, EM Drunder, EM Skyshrine/HM Kael, HM Drunder, HM Skyshrine, Plane of War. The EM Skyshrine content opens up HM Drunder to a lot of middling raid forces, I think, which gives them 15 or so new bosses, which in turn leads to HM Skyshrine and Plane of War. I think the placement of EM Skyshrine in the progression mix is really smart.

    Just my opinions. It's only been a week
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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irving_EQ View Post
    I really like the new raid content. Some random thoughts:

    E) I guess I'm in the minority, but I like that the new content keeps the Drunder content relevant. For middle of the road guilds, the progression is: EM Kael, EM Drunder, EM Skyshrine/HM Kael, HM Drunder, HM Skyshrine, Plane of War. The EM Skyshrine content opens up HM Drunder to a lot of middling raid forces, I think, which gives them 15 or so new bosses, which in turn leads to HM Skyshrine and Plane of War. I think the placement of EM Skyshrine in the progression mix is really smart.

    Just my opinions. It's only been a week
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    Except that your "progession" is now actually illogical. EM DoV / EM Drunder are completely irrelevent... new heroic gear destroys them. (even HM DoV too)
    New EM Skyshrine content is vastly easier than HM Drunder content, and yet the gear rewards are superior, for the most part. So, no real reason at all to even do HM Drunder fights, because the gear "rewards" are worse than EM Skyshrine while the encounters are much more challenging.

    I'm honestly confused of what the actual progression plan is with this content (Hah, i'm actually assuming they have a plan!).
    Skyshrine by itself does not have content to support raid progression for another, what, 7-8 months? Heck, not even heroic content. Yet, its pretty much invalidated all of DoV/Drunder content in the game.

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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    Camryn, you're right about the heroic Skyshrine being better than EM DoV/Drunder. I havent done a lot of it, so I forgot about it. I think I disagree with you on HM Drunder, though. I've noticed two things about the EM Skyshrine content: there's not a lot of crit chance on the gear, and the weapons are inferior to HM Drunder. Again, it's only been a week and I have no problem being wrong, but so far, I feel like HM Drunder gear is still necessary in some slots (Primary, Secondary, Ranged, Waist, I think).

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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    I think it's a step in the right direction for the game honestly. How many competitive 20+ hour a week raiding guilds are honestly left? I don't even think there's one on each server anymore. They obviously bit off more than they could chew with this entire expansion trying to make a HM for every encounter. Drunder really should have just had HM options for the 3 bosses and nothing more. It would have been much easier on the developers to make content that wasn't broken and all that would have been lost is one tier of gear being squeezed in.

    I definitely think they should have either let shards drop from the new zones or done away with the red slots on the gear dropped there. Now when you clear the skyshrine zone you'll have to run old content just to adorn your shit unless you've been stock-piling. I think it's best for most guilds that they will have fewer HM mobs to kill in order to complete a zone. With the direction the game is taking it's just unrealistic to expect them to pump out enough functioning content to keep people raiding 20+ hours a week entertained without leaving casual raiding in the dust.
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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    So supposedly.. we (i mean the totally of "the players") have cleared the Plane of War, killed Rallos Zek... and arrived at Skyshrine. I mean, that's what the NPC told me on the way there.

    And so.. it makes not a single fucking shred of sense that after defeating all the Skyshrine content our next challenge is.... uhm... Plane of War and Rallos Zek.

    ............

    I'm in a semi-casual raid guild that has been killing the first mob in HM Drunder for months but that has been struggling with the next progression mobs. We've been making steady progress and within another month, we probably would have had another 2-3 dead. We were working hard and saw lots of progression in the future.

    Now.. new content is added. We killed 8 new mobs on our first weekend and then ran out of raid time. I expect we'll have all EM SS mobs on farm shortly. We talked about it as officers and thought.. well.. wtf is the point of even doing drunder now? Yes, it's a challenge, but the drops aren't as good as the much easier SS mobs so the effort extended isn't worth it.

    It's nice to have something new to do, it ALWAYS is nice to have something new to do. But I feel that basically we've thrown all our hard progression work out the window and have been handed easier stuff.

    It always happens when a new expac is released and guilds that haven't cleared the content don't get to clear it "on tier". But with this one, NO ONE got to clear it "on tier". So it's kinda retarded. They basically threw out a whole bunch of content that still had plenty of life in it - i mean, prior to the GU, only 4 or 5 guilds WW had even seen the Plane of War. They really should have done a better job tiering the content.

    SS raid stuff is fine. I didn't really expect ALL em to be cleared by even the good guilds' first run through the zone, but EM is EM, so that's what it's there for. I haven't tried the HM stuff yet, but I somehow doubt that 5 HM mobs are enough to keep people entertained or challenged for long. I hope they have another "Drunder" up their sleeves for next updates. Also, speaking from my own guild's perspective, I quite liked having separate HM and EM zone timers. It allowed us work on HM while still farming EM. It also created a lot of different progression opportunities.
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    Default Re: What do you think of the new raid content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleverascouldbe View Post
    I honestly don't think there is enough content to keep 5 day week guilds busy and happy. The fact that guilds are likely to have to also back farm old zones for raid shards also annoyed me lots. For top end guilds, all you really have now to work on is Sevelak (Which I suspect won't take that long to kill), and that zone is done, Underdepths where you either cockblock yourself on a named each time, while killing EM nameds consistently week in week out. All that really leaves is then Plane of Wank. All that trash, for armor that isn't that great any more, and then nameds which are either broken, or require stupid amounts of crit chance.
    Realistically, you have 5 mobs in Skyshrine left to kill, and 4 or so in PoW. Contested as well if anyone still gives a shit about them. Grats on 10 mobs for the next god knows how long.
    Being as we've killed 4 mobs in PoW, and a 5th just needs a few changes (not running 4 miles). PoW loot is still clearly better then EM Skyshrine loot. You're talking 2 cb/pot, +all the other stuff on most pieces of gear. PoW is definitely worth running. For half the servers that means still running Drunder, so the content is relevant. Not to mention that if you still run Drunder you get up to that gear level faster, and some of the pieces are still better.

    As far as the new stuff goes, no it isn't really that hard. A few are dps checks, a few are just don't be a retard. They aren't as complex. Will the content last 6-7 months? Yes. And hopefully it will get people progressing farther, killing Vallon, and starting Plane of War. Even the top guilds while when they get everything down likely won't raid their full schedule will still have gear to farm since it is unlikely everyone gets everything they want any time soon.

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